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Re: More Than a Million Pro-Repeal Net Neutrality Comments Were Likely Faked

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Post by alacombe »

strictnein wrote: post #53
torpfactory wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get money out of politics. No more superPACs. No more third party bullshit. My proposal: only contributions from individuals to official campaign organizations. Each person can donate a total of $100, split any way they want. I’m tired of so many decisions being made at the behest of some campaign funder whispering in a politician’s ear. Our democracy is being corroded by all this money.

Your solution has a clear result: only the wealthiest would be able to run for office.

Given the money spent during campaigns, it's already the case. Only the wealthiest are able to run for office. You'll never see a Billy Boy Blow run for president while being a blue collar. That being said, it's important to highlight that most democrat elected in the past were lawyers, while republicans came from business background.

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Post by ZenoArrow »

matt4077 wrote: post #56
lucaspiller wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Europe the same deals happen, but it just happens behind the scenes, so you don’t know what’s going on. In the US PACs are required to disclose their donors, so you at least have some idea who is trying to push their agenda.

No it doesn't. First: it can't happen "behind the scenes" because almost all the money goes into TV advertisement. You can't hide TV ads. Second: it just doesn't happen. Third: It's counterproductive to push such cynical, almost nihilistic, conspiracy theories. If you just accuse any politician of corruption, you remove all incentives for them not to be corrupt. I have met many politicians, and worked for some. And b…

> "Second: it just doesn't happen."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E

Re: More Than a Million Pro-Repeal Net Neutrality Comments Were Likely Faked

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Post by olivermarks »

fit2rule wrote: post #87
learc83 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pizzagate is a crackpot conspiracy theory. A rather bad crackpot conspiracy theory. No one takes it seriously. Even Alex Jones has retracted his Pizzagate statements. The term fake news started being used because people were spreading fake news based on completely absurd readings of leaked emails. The "evidence" for Pizzagate is absolutely comical.

A lot of people take Pizzagate quite seriously, because there is more than enough evidence to start a serious, professional investigation. The fact that intelligent people write it off immediately is more about how well the propaganda campaign against this investigation has worked - and yes, there was definitely a coordinated effort to make Pizzagate 'nonsense' in the public eye. Ask yourself this question: what if t…

Well put @fit2rule

I live in the US but am English and am currently in the UK. Despite all the media hoopla about Jimmy Saville, there has been no investigation about his deep and broad access and connections in UK society (I believe May as home secretary was supposed to be running this before ascending to replace Cameron). nothing has happened there either..lone wolf etc etc...

The apparently deliberate digital astroturfing of net neutrality views is another example of the warping of public perceptions. Most of us only respond to what we are fed as 'news' rather than looking a the evidence and data for ourselves

Re: More Than a Million Pro-Repeal Net Neutrality Comments Were Likely Faked

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Post by alacombe »

droopybuns wrote: post #31

I don’t believe that botnet activity has been limited to one side, based on how reddit has looked this last week. Example of suspicious postings: https://www.reddit.com/r/Frisson/comments/7engpr/image_reddi...

Hack'tivism is just like antifa.

When the right does it (with parsimony), it's the embodiment of Evil. When the left does it (on an industrial scale), it's virtuous.

Re: More Than a Million Pro-Repeal Net Neutrality Comments Were Likely Faked

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Post by Kequc »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #86

Every social media website is dominated by people supporting net neutrality. I don't even remember seeing an opposing opinion, except from Trump's government. Maybe I'm living in some weird bubble, but it seems to me the argument is really not an argument, but an artificially created nonsense.

I may not be up on the latest news.

My understanding from the best sources I can find detail a disagreement within the government about how net neutrality is implemented, not that it exists. Internet providers want to repeal net neutrality. Democrats are happy with the current implementation. Republicans want to enshrine net neutrality in law through congress, stripping what they believe is overreach on the part of the FCC.

The fact that net neutrality can currently be repealed so easily suggests to me that putting it through congress is a good idea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/02/01...

Re: More Than a Million Pro-Repeal Net Neutrality Comments Were Likely Faked

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Post by kazagistar »

torpfactory wrote: post #18
adamnemecek wrote: post #7

What needs to happen for shit like this not to happen anymore.

Get money out of politics. No more superPACs. No more third party bullshit. My proposal: only contributions from individuals to official campaign organizations. Each person can donate a total of $100, split any way they want. I’m tired of so many decisions being made at the behest of some campaign funder whispering in a politician’s ear. Our democracy is being corroded by all this money.

Read up on Citizens United. Limitations on spending on election campaigns were declared unconstitutional, because money buying speech is protected by free speech. Basically, the only way to save democracy in the USA from the clutches of oligarchy is constitional reform, which is unlikely given the required vote size and the opposition, which includes all the large financial interests as well as constitution worshipers and free speech absolutists.

Re: More Than a Million Pro-Repeal Net Neutrality Comments Were Likely Faked

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Post by fungi »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #86

Every social media website is dominated by people supporting net neutrality. I don't even remember seeing an opposing opinion, except from Trump's government. Maybe I'm living in some weird bubble, but it seems to me the argument is really not an argument, but an artificially created nonsense.

r/The_Donald/ has some particularly impressive mental gymnastics going on to support repeal. Breitbart comments are fascinating.

Re: More Than a Million Pro-Repeal Net Neutrality Comments Were Likely Faked

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Post by ori_b »

Kequc wrote: post #95
bufferoverflow wrote: post #86

Every social media website is dominated by people supporting net neutrality. I don't even remember seeing an opposing opinion, except from Trump's government. Maybe I'm living in some weird bubble, but it seems to me the argument is really not an argument, but an artificially created nonsense.

I may not be up on the latest news. My understanding from the best sources I can find detail a disagreement within the government about how net neutrality is implemented, not that it exists. Internet providers want to repeal net neutrality. Democrats are happy with the current implementation. Republicans want to enshrine net neutrality in law through congress, stripping what they believe is overreach on the part of t…

> Republicans want to enshrine net neutrality in law through congress, stripping what they believe is overreach on the part of the FCC.

I've heard this, but I still see no law on the books, and a very strong push for the FCC to remove the regulations that are currently in place.

I'd believe them if I saw an effort to put a replacement plan in motion before repealing.

Re: More Than a Million Pro-Repeal Net Neutrality Comments Were Likely Faked

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Post by Danihan »

Kequc wrote: post #95
bufferoverflow wrote: post #86

Every social media website is dominated by people supporting net neutrality. I don't even remember seeing an opposing opinion, except from Trump's government. Maybe I'm living in some weird bubble, but it seems to me the argument is really not an argument, but an artificially created nonsense.

I may not be up on the latest news. My understanding from the best sources I can find detail a disagreement within the government about how net neutrality is implemented, not that it exists. Internet providers want to repeal net neutrality. Democrats are happy with the current implementation. Republicans want to enshrine net neutrality in law through congress, stripping what they believe is overreach on the part of t…

You could just be against government price controls in general..

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Post by keypress »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #86

Every social media website is dominated by people supporting net neutrality. I don't even remember seeing an opposing opinion, except from Trump's government. Maybe I'm living in some weird bubble, but it seems to me the argument is really not an argument, but an artificially created nonsense.

I'm up for net neutrality, but what do you about one or two pigs hogging the network?

This quotes netflix as having 37% of traffic in N.A. http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/01/20/netflix-boasts-37-...

It's like you build an autobahn for everyone, and then one monster haulage company moves in and dominates the road, and the road isn't really as useful as envisaged.

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