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Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Post by 734786710934 »

seasonalgrit wrote: post #10

The proper way to improve education in a community is to get involved with the existing school systems -- the schools are already there. Be wary of ideologues possessing way too much money combined with an impoverished sense of ethics (e.g., Zuckerberg) who shun existing civic institutions and go off to start their own for-profit/corporate 'schools' instead.

>The proper way to improve education in a community is to get involved with the existing school systems

That didn't work out too well when Zuckerberg tried it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-newark-schools-p...

Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Post by [deleted] »

seasonalgrit wrote: post #10

The proper way to improve education in a community is to get involved with the existing school systems -- the schools are already there. Be wary of ideologues possessing way too much money combined with an impoverished sense of ethics (e.g., Zuckerberg) who shun existing civic institutions and go off to start their own for-profit/corporate 'schools' instead.

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Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

#13

Post by seasonalgrit »

734786710934 wrote: post #11
seasonalgrit wrote: post #10

The proper way to improve education in a community is to get involved with the existing school systems -- the schools are already there. Be wary of ideologues possessing way too much money combined with an impoverished sense of ethics (e.g., Zuckerberg) who shun existing civic institutions and go off to start their own for-profit/corporate 'schools' instead.

>The proper way to improve education in a community is to get involved with the existing school systems That didn't work out too well when Zuckerberg tried it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-newark-schools-p...

Thank you for sharing that link. I am not familiar with Russakoff's work and it looks very thought-provoking.

Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Post by laughinghan »

734786710934 wrote: post #8

There's a weird disconnect in this article between the reality of what Zuckerberg is trying to do and the agenda being pushed by the author. You have this paragraph: "The social network has been lobbying to build more housing in the region, which Silicon Valley cities, worried about traffic and preferring a commercial over residential tax base, have fought against. In East Palo Alto, Facebook has invested $18.5 milli…

Interesting, I didn't feel at all like there was a weird disconnect or agenda being pushed. In fact, it felt to me like a pained attempt to paint a contentious situation fairly and factually. It seems all too plausible to me that both of the following might be factually true:

• Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg are putting a lot of money into the local community and feel like they are going above and beyond their obligations in that regard

• various hardships that the local community has suffered and is suffering over the recent years are directly and visibly linked to Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg, and therefore they feel like Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg have and are continuing to harm them, not help them

The article seemed to be taking pains not to claim that any of the following were true, or that their opposite was true:

• Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg are wrong to feel that they are going above and beyond; they should instead be contributing to the local community more and/or differently

• the local community is wrong to feel that Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg are doing more to help than to hurt them; in fact, they have no right or claim to getting more from, or even what they currently get from, Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg

It sounds like you think it's clear that Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg are contributing plenty enough to the local community. I'd be interested in learning why you think it's so clear that they needn't be doing more or different things, in spite of the local community's reported continued hardships.

Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Post by King-Aaron »

victimofvictims wrote: post #2

I profited $1700 driving for Uber this week in SF. How could Mr. Bonilla not afford $1200 in rent (for a room)? I agree it is unfair and sad that there are so much friction to living in SF, but with two incomes you can easily make enough money to survive and save up $10,000 to move to another state. When you make the choice to have 2 children with no career, you are going to have to work a lot and sacriface your pers…

You're talking about a ~90hour work week. I have doubts that this is the case, but if it is, this is an insane work-life balance, and your experiences should not be directly translated to other people's situations. I find it incredible that you're ragging on another persons decisions, when your own decisions could quite easily be put under the microscope and shown to be unviable.

Though I find it interesting that this is the only thing you've posted here. To both boast about your own lifestyle, and to deride someone else's. Not really HN worthy behaivour tbh.

Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Post by [deleted] »

victimofvictims wrote: post #7
Cacti wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the hell does any of that have to do with this guy getting kicked out of his RV lot so Zucks wife can build a school near her home?

The city said it was a flood issue. Regardless, no one has an innate right to live anywhere. A billion people in this world are under refugee status -- in real dire circumstances. Life is unfair. I have cancer and am currently in a serious legal dispute with extremely influential people. I also had everything stolen from me, by the police. I also probably have PTSD via the billionaire and his political mercenaries th…

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Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Post by Buldak »

Cacti wrote: post #4
victimofvictims wrote: post #2

I profited $1700 driving for Uber this week in SF. How could Mr. Bonilla not afford $1200 in rent (for a room)? I agree it is unfair and sad that there are so much friction to living in SF, but with two incomes you can easily make enough money to survive and save up $10,000 to move to another state. When you make the choice to have 2 children with no career, you are going to have to work a lot and sacriface your pers…

What the hell does any of that have to do with this guy getting kicked out of his RV lot so Zucks wife can build a school near her home?

This has to be a joke. Stuff like the keto bit are just too much.

Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Post by tomjen3 »

seasonalgrit wrote: post #10

The proper way to improve education in a community is to get involved with the existing school systems -- the schools are already there. Be wary of ideologues possessing way too much money combined with an impoverished sense of ethics (e.g., Zuckerberg) who shun existing civic institutions and go off to start their own for-profit/corporate 'schools' instead.

The proper way is what works.

Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Post by r00fus »

tomjen3 wrote: post #18
seasonalgrit wrote: post #10

The proper way to improve education in a community is to get involved with the existing school systems -- the schools are already there. Be wary of ideologues possessing way too much money combined with an impoverished sense of ethics (e.g., Zuckerberg) who shun existing civic institutions and go off to start their own for-profit/corporate 'schools' instead.

The proper way is what works.

That is a tautology/ syllogism. How do you know what works (and if something else would have been better)?

Re: Facebook Founder’s Favor Comes with Complications

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Post by 734786710934 »

laughinghan wrote: post #14
734786710934 wrote: post #8

There's a weird disconnect in this article between the reality of what Zuckerberg is trying to do and the agenda being pushed by the author. You have this paragraph: "The social network has been lobbying to build more housing in the region, which Silicon Valley cities, worried about traffic and preferring a commercial over residential tax base, have fought against. In East Palo Alto, Facebook has invested $18.5 milli…

Interesting, I didn't feel at all like there was a weird disconnect or agenda being pushed. In fact, it felt to me like a pained attempt to paint a contentious situation fairly and factually. It seems all too plausible to me that both of the following might be factually true: • Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg are putting a lot of money into the local community and feel like they are going above and beyond their obligati…

You missed the key fact here: Zuckerberg wants to do more for the community but his initiatives are being blocked by the city. I say that there is a disconnect because this is being presented by the author as a failure of Zuckerberg's rather than of the city.
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