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Why we never thank open source maintainers

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Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

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What do you do that you charge 200 eur/hr?

Thats the fee for my part-time freelance consulting. 200 is on the low end.

Man that's expensive. Here in France, contractors tend to cost less than 400€ a day. That's almost 4 times cheaper than you are.

I guess that's the difference between consulting and contracting.

Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

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"If you give a mouse a cookie, the mouse will ask for a glass of milk"

That's a fun expression, first time I hear it! In Polish, you would say "you give a finger, and they'll take the whole hand".

Same in Norwegian :-)

Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

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Anytime I find a very useful tool[1] or get help from a maintainer or author I always offer them a lifetime, free rsync.net account. A fair number of them have taken me up on it. [1] Some examples of useful tools include: TextBar for OSX, git-annex assistant ... someone wrote a great encfs tutorial ... etc.

I had to look it up in a dictionary: to take someone up on something = to accept an offer or invitation from someone

Is English not your first language ? That's an incredibly common phrase.

Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

#154
The author is promoting gratefulness, and that is awesome. I try to do my part when I can with hand-crafted emails or messages.

For what it's worth, in our work on the TechEmpower Framework Benchmarks [1], we have received a great deal of positive feedback and gratefulness. We really appreciate it since it makes the project so much more fun and meaningful for us when we hear that people have found it useful (or at least interesting). We never cease to be amazed at the generosity of the community. All of this often makes me wish we could spend more time on the project. (We're working on getting Round 15 out soon!)

[1] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks

Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

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I think maintainers would definitely love more some monetary support rather than just a thank you, specially those doing it in their free time (since some maintainers of big open source projects are well established paid employees).

The problem is that it is hard to transfer money over the internet. I just wanted to know what bureaucratic hurdles one has to jump in Germany to even be able to receive donations on your webpage. I don't want to go into the gory details, but just come with something that I say for years very often: The surest way to become a terrorist very fast is to read up into law. And this is only for being legally able to recei…

Can you go more into your problems, because as far as I know, it is actually not that complicated.

Unless of course, you say you are non profit - then they have to accept that, complicated, yes.

But if you want small donation money for a webpage, it is very easy. You register a small company for it (cost 20-30€, time 20 minutes at the finance agency. and you can use that company for many other similar things). And then you are legally good to receive money in all forms, bitcoins or not. They don't care how you got that money. All that matters to them is how much profit you made in a year. If it is below 16000€ you don't pay (company) taxes - and they totally ignore you for being not important. If you make higher income, well, then you start having a serious business, with taxation and probably more regulation, true.

But for small things I found it not so hard.

Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

#156
I think sending "thank you" notes to someone is rare because it's a bit odd to contact a complete stranger and thank them.

Personally I would "thank" someone for example by upvoting their post, commenting on it, or posting their project here or on Lobster, staring their GitHub project, etc. Those are more concrete stuff and personally I would appreciate this kind of actions more than a thank you note.

Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

#157
I was once looking for a specific library that does one thing – and found exactly something like it on Github. It did the job so well and without a hitch, that after seeing it has only a few stars and no PRs, I left an Github issue saying thank you to the maintainer.

Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

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As an author of dozens of open-source projects, I was really surprised how entitled / rude people can be. I was even told f-word just because I used babel for compiling JS. I was like WTF. Some people act as if they are my paying customers when I get zero compensation from my open source projects. I just share my work because I think they can be useful for some. I don't have any obligations to solve their problems.

This exists everwhere. Just today I heard it from a member of the archery club. He thought he didn't have to help for free, he wants to get salary for helping with preparation for competitions and other things we do. The egoistic culture is here more than ever.

Oh stop it. Some segment of the population has always behaved like an entitled brat, we usually call them rich.

Just because YOU haven't encountered it so much doesn't mean human culture suddenly got spoiled.

Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

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Ways I deal with this as an open source maintainer of various projects: 1. Severely restrict the scope of the project (i.e. do one thing and do it well) 2. Don't feel guilty about saying "no" 3. Realize that people have no malicious intent or are lazy when they request . It's just like a normal customer in a business: they often have no idea of the cost and difficulties in implementing things. That's okay, it's my du…

I run a support forum for an open source project. The maintainer does something similar and it can annoy some people to get no for an answer but it keeps things sane. The software has been going well for 8+ years now (with one change of maintainer in that time). We also implemented a Feature Request forum and people generally use it. Plus 'Issues' are turned off on GitHub. So things generally funnel very well through…

> So things generally funnel very well through the forum/mailing list and you know that a post in the Feature Request forum will request a feature, so you can mentally prepare for it.

That helps address the under appreciated mental cost for dealing with an open ended inbox.

If you don't know whether the new message is related to 1.) expression of gratitude, 2.) complaining, 3.) feature request, etc., you have an added amount of anxiety when opening the message to figure out which kind it is.

Re: Why we never thank open source maintainers

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As the maintainer of a reasonably popular library, I actually get irritated by a lot of 'thanks', because they are in the form of this sentence: 'Hi, can you implement ? Thanks!' Usually from people who have never contributed anything. Honestly, being thanked in any shape or form does nothing for me, Id rather have users be more considerate of our time and not abuse issues and the community for supporting their lazin…

Why not just have a canned response ready that you're happy to review pull requests and integrate them if they make sense. I've never in my life asked an open source maintainer to implement a feature for them. I just send them a patch (pull request nowadays). If they like it they merge it, and if they don't they don't and I keep my own branch.
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