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Windows 10 switchover will cost Linux champion Munich €50m

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Re: Windows 10 switchover will cost Linux champion Munich €50m

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I think Microsoft must have a very powerful lobby tackling this potential "end of an era" event.

With more companies moving analytics from Excel to Python, other data science tools, cloud or not... And governments adopting ODF as document standards. Not to mention the free beer.

Re: Windows 10 switchover will cost Linux champion Munich €50m

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post #10

That's not at all what it says. The cost of moving to Windows and office is ~€5 million: >€ 4.8 million and licenses (for Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, software distribution, The €50 is for hardware replacements that were going to happen anyway. Nothing in the article addresses the harder to track costs of user efficiency and expert support staff. I'm not claiming it's cheaper in either direction, but staffing…

From the text:

> the former open-source champion would pay €49.3 million to create a new Windows 10 client OS

I don't know what you mean by calling a "new client OS" "hardware replacements that were going to happen anyway".

I find the sentence confusing itself, as the OS would be microsoft, maybe they mean a distribution with preinstalled software? Either way, I don't read it to mean hardware replacemens

Re: Windows 10 switchover will cost Linux champion Munich €50m

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, I'd argue that IT support for linux is much easier to provide (and therefore, _should_ be cheaper, I can't say whether it is or not).

I think that the main problem when it comes to Linux support is that people who really understand Linux/UNIX have an easier time finding better paying positions. Lower paid IT workers tend to hang around the MS ecosystem. This shows up in the cost of maintenance for Linux solutions.

I think so. Hiring half decent Linux support staff would be a nightmare.

Window support staff are cheap and abundant. Not to mention the off the shelf outsourcing providers. IT in most large organizations already happens in India.

Love Linux and use it as my main desktop. Supporting corporate wide? Big no.

Re: Windows 10 switchover will cost Linux champion Munich €50m

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post #9

I wonder how they plan to disable the spyware? Even the enterprise edition doesn't allow turning everything off. My employer is still rocking Windows 7 for this reason. At one point we trialed Windows Phone, the guide was a series of embarassing turn this feature off, turn that frature off to try to limit the amount of data being syphoned. Now we use iPhones.

Win10 LTSB is free of the crapware.

Re: Windows 10 switchover will cost Linux champion Munich €50m

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post #3

This seems semi-reasonable over 29000 systems. The reality is enterprise support for linux systems is the one variable i don't really see discussed here. This is Microsoft's bread and butter for a reason. Organizations prefer an easy upfront cost rather than complex, support intensive solutions.

I'm not sure the level of support needed for Windows systems is much different to that of Linux. There will be an associated cost in both cases.

Fair, it depends on the use case(s). Because of the ubiquity of Microsoft, most of the applications i require are Windows based.

I imagine this is true for a lot of businesses as well.

Nothing against, Linux for the desktop but enterprise wide is a big difference.

Re: Windows 10 switchover will cost Linux champion Munich €50m

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I've always found it suspicious that they essentially ended up with their own Distro.

That's how it works in Desktop Linux. The system is such a hodgepodge of interconnected pieces, each with their own slight variations in operation, configuration, and quirks, that once you finally put something together that works to your tastes you pretty much have to create your own distribution to keep it that way.

Re: Windows 10 switchover will cost Linux champion Munich €50m

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post #21

I think Microsoft must have a very powerful lobby tackling this potential "end of an era" event. With more companies moving analytics from Excel to Python, other data science tools, cloud or not... And governments adopting ODF as document standards. Not to mention the free beer.

That's a drop in the ocean.

Re: Windows 10 switchover will cost Linux champion Munich €50m

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post #21

I think Microsoft must have a very powerful lobby tackling this potential "end of an era" event. With more companies moving analytics from Excel to Python, other data science tools, cloud or not... And governments adopting ODF as document standards. Not to mention the free beer.

Python works for data scientists, but the people who use Excel are not all data scientists. Python and Excel are as comparable as apples and oranges. They're both fruit, but that's literally all they have in common.
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