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Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by chiefalchemist »

AtTheLast wrote: post #166
chiefalchemist wrote: post #148

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I just finished reading "Grain Brain" (as a follow up to "Wheat Belly" a couple yrs ago. GF aside, both books are - or should be - a wake up call. We're eating ourselves ill. So much so we don't even realize it.

The odds are stacked against us. Working in the nutrition and fitness space has really opened my eyes into how poor nutrition over time really starts impacting lives. Even people who don't eat 'bad', still are having lots of health issues. So much sugar and other stuff in foods that are typically billed as healthy. I'll have to check out those books, they sound really interesting. You might want to check out the book…

Yes. But those odds are not impossible. If you make an effort to be smart about what you consume you can over come the odds. No effort? Well, that's never a formula for victory. I mean there are plenty of alternatives to soda. But people don't choose them.

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Post by dorkwood »

Fnoord wrote: post #84
tinha wrote: post #72

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There's a documentary on Netflix about this, I think it's called Sugar x Fat.

There's 2 good documentaries I remember about the subject (though there's likely many more): That Sugar Film [1] and Fed Up [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Sugar_Film [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fed_Up_(film)

'That Sugar Film' is incredibly dishonest.

The guy claims he gained about 15kg over a one month period by substituting sugary foods into his diet while keeping his caloric intake the same. That's a massive claim which you'd expect to be backed up by pretty rigorous testing, yeah? Not even close. He doesn't even count his calories.

The whole time I was watching I was waiting to see the numbers. Spoiler alert: there aren't any. Halfway through the 'experiment' he states that he's never counted calories before, proceeds to do it just once, and then claims that his intake appears to be the same as it was before. To embark on a project like this and only measure your caloric intake once throughout the entire thing is incredibly disingenuous behaviour.

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Post by leakyabs »

sethammons wrote: post #283
devmunchies wrote: post #223

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Myth. There's much more estrogen in dairy. Milk is packed with hormones. It comes from a female cow after giving birth for heavens sake.

"The bullets from handguns." "Myth. There's much more 'bullet' to a rifle round." Just because there may be more estrogen in milk, how does that take away from the estrogen in soy?

The good news is that a) it isn’t estrogen in soy but a chemical that mimics it in the body, and b) it doesn’t turn men into women.

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Post by leakyabs »

hydrox24 wrote: post #287
obstacle1 wrote: post #159

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>Almost all fooeds seem to have one of those Almost all prepared, packaged, or preserved foods have one of those. The solution is actually pretty simple: eat meals made from base/raw ingredients only. Beans, nuts, meats, vegetables, fruits, vegetable oils, spices... Endless varieties of stuff to cook with, combine, and eat alone. People just aren't used to eating this way, because prepackaged crap has been the norm f…

> prepackaged crap has been the norm for so long > if you're poor, it's difficult to eat this way, though. And it is difficult for some poor people to eat this way because their cultural poverty exacerbates or even causes their financial poverty. Their parents (if they were lucky enough to have two) didn't teach them to prepare basic meals, sharpen a knife, or care for a frying pan. Each of these skills is a barrier…

I don’t doubt that crappy food is cheap, but I would be interested in knowing what the cheapest bulk, nutritionally-complete foods you can buy are and where, especially when you factor in how crappy food just makes you hungry faster and eventually results in ridiculous healthcare costs.

The poor certainly are being screwed over, though. Food companies make processed food delicious and prevelant, and it affects the poorest among us the most.

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Post by huhhhhy »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #292
jessaustin wrote: post #173

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Does anyone have an opinion on this one, also on Netflix? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Health It's pro-veganism and the narrator is a goofy manchild, but has credible (to me anyway) medical experts.

It was funded by a vegan propaganda group and has been widely discredited.

What is "vegan propaganda"? Someone asking you to please stop unnecessarily abusing animals and polluting the Earth is propaganda to you? This takes a truly mediocre mind to think.

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Post by huhhhhy »

mhomde wrote: post #272
jessaustin wrote: post #173

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Does anyone have an opinion on this one, also on Netflix? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Health It's pro-veganism and the narrator is a goofy manchild, but has credible (to me anyway) medical experts.

Yeah, I second that. I starts out very credible but if you examine what they say, especially regarding sugar and carbs it becomes very clear that it's vegan propaganda and skewing its facts heavily

Can you clearly state a non-vague example of the "sugar and carbs" misinformation being perpetuated there?

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Post by Hockenbrizzle »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #106

I recently started the Whole 30 diet (paleo), and it's nearly impossible to avoid sugar, corn starch, and dextrose. Almost all fooeds seem to have one of those. Often for no reason: why put sugar in beans and bacon, or corn starch in turkey? The amount of money I'm spending on food jumped by 3x. It seems accurate to say that if you're poor, you're almost forced to eat sugar for economic reasons.

Sugar is common for curing meats like bacon. I don't know if it plays a role in pulling out the water like salt does, but I know some use it to offset the strong saltiness. I think it also provides for some bacteria which help preserve the meat.

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Post by wolco »

andygates wrote: post #261
wolco wrote: post #126

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From my limited life experience: It tastes bad to the average male, it leaves a bad after taste that is really noticable. Females don't seem to notice the after taste.

Wait what? No. "Average" and "me and my buddies" aren't the same.

It is if you preface the discussion by saying in my experience. That limits the group to people I've had contact with that the word average would apply.

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Post by lamby »

obstacle1 wrote: post #156
wu-ikkyu wrote: post #136

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Perhaps it is superstition, perhaps not, but I try to avoid TV dinners or meals which involve microwaving plastics.

That's a good idea. But I think the TV dinner itself might be worse for you than ingesting whatever the by-product of microwaving the dinner's plastic container might be.

It's likely that engineering a lifestyle that does not result in eating TV dinners is healthier. Sure, it's getting cause-and-effect backwards, but I'm certain there is something there... :)
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