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Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by leakyabs »

Retric wrote: post #183
mpd wrote: post #172

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I'm not sure why you brought chocolate and caramel into the picture, but I'm going to stick with my opinion that peanuts are not candy. I think you're attempting to redefine a word to fit your narrative, and I'm not having it.

I am not redefining Candy, I am using non food definition of candy to make a point. "Something that is pleasing or pleasurable, usually in a superficial way" Peanuts are frequently used as part of a wide range of sweets for texture. But, they are also sweet enough to not be out of place and in no way make them heathy by proxy. Similarly, eating a full serving of penuts regularly is generally a bad idea.

> Similarly, eating a full serving of peanuts regularly is generally a bad idea.

Why? Nuts are full of healthy fats and a single serving has a decent amount of calories. With the nutrition nuts have, they make a great snack to propel you through part of the day. If I start to dip around 2:00/3:00 PM and get hungry, one of my go-tos is a single serving of mixed nuts (although I also just toasted some walnuts for the same purpose). It keeps me full until dinner. I don’t understand why you hate nuts so much. I mean, obviously you should enjoy them in moderation, but that’s true for a lot of foods.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

jessaustin wrote: post #173
tinha wrote: post #72

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There's a documentary on Netflix about this, I think it's called Sugar x Fat.

Does anyone have an opinion on this one, also on Netflix? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Health It's pro-veganism and the narrator is a goofy manchild, but has credible (to me anyway) medical experts.

It was funded by a vegan propaganda group and has been widely discredited.

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Post by buckminster »

Tsiklon wrote: post #233
buckminster wrote: post #123

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Most Western countries have banned the use of asbestos so the problem isn't getting any worse. But not America! What's worse is that we've known about the dangers for more than 100 years.

Hang on, Asbestos is still used in America?

Yes. Permitted uses include brake pads and clothing!

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

Tsiklon wrote: post #233
buckminster wrote: post #123

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Most Western countries have banned the use of asbestos so the problem isn't getting any worse. But not America! What's worse is that we've known about the dangers for more than 100 years.

Hang on, Asbestos is still used in America?

Woah, TIL: https://www.asbestos.com/blog/2012/09/17/why-isnt-asbestos-b...

Here in the UK if traces of asbestos are found the entire building is quarantined while a team of workers in hazchem suits and breathing apparatus removes it!

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by leakyabs »

Retric wrote: post #43
abawany wrote: post #29

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Erythritol can cause digestive discomfort for some [1], which is why I suspect it isn't prevalent. It was an eye opener to me how many packaged goods have sugar (HFCS) added, when intuitively it seems there was no good reason for any added sweet flavor to be present. By (mostly) assiduously reading the ingredients (the only source of truth, which is why it is often in the smallest print), I am often able to avoid pur…

The shocking thing is if you completely drop sugar from your diet you still notice plenty of sweet things. The only changes is the threshold before you consider something sweet. IMO, we need to have a big fat "This is Candy!" label on anything that's got more than 1 gram of sugar/hfcs/whatever per serving. Yes, that includes Apple Juice and other 'hidden' sweeteners.

I cut out almost all processed, added sugar a few weeks ago (soda, energy drinks, and sweet coffee drinks (e.g. mochas) were my biggest vice) and the difference is amazing. I have consistent energy throughout the day. My mood has improved, I think (could be unrelated). I actually have normal feelings of hunger at normal times.

If I need something sweet, I have some 72% dark chocolate squares, each with 3 g of sugar, that I eat after dinner with some mint tea. Helps the cravings immensely. I’ll also add a serving of agave nectar to yogurt. But what I’ve noticed is that I need less and less sweetener over time. I made a smoothie with yogurt, milk, and some non-sugar-heavy fruit and it was sweet enough on its own. I wasn’t expecting that.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by acdha »

jeffdavis wrote: post #193
acdha wrote: post #162

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Here’s one of the members of the 1970s guidelines: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1977/01/20/... “Dr. Mark Hegsted, professor of nutrition at Harvard University and one of the three nutritionists who helped write the report, said: "There will undoubtedly be many people who will say we have not proven our point; we have not demonstrated that the dietary modifications we recommend will yield the divid…

I find it interesting why that doctor's reasoning is flawed: in reality, people don't just follow advice wholesale, they follow some of it based on how much willpower they have for change. By choosing some things to follow over others, they are implicitly making a trade-off. But to make a good trade, you need to know the relative benefits of two parts of the advice. Giving up fats might be good and/or neutral; but if…

Yeah, there's a really interesting psychological angle to this — telling people to reduce, say, sugar or the most processed fats is very different from effectively asking them to give up most of what they enjoy in food. A less ambitious play probably would have come a lot closer to accomplishing their goal.

There's also an angle about how this pushed a lot of people to heavily processed foods because leaving out everything on that bad list left a much narrower list of things you could make at home which were also tasty.

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Post by leakyabs »

Zaak wrote: post #87
Spooky23 wrote: post #27

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I don’t know about the chemical itself, but it’s sold as a substitute for sugar without the ill effect, and likely has a similar metabolic effect to sugar.

It can't have a similar metabolic effect to sugar. For one, it's a peptide, not a carbohydrate. Also, in the quantities it's consumed in, there are very few calories. Now, for phenylketonurics it's problematic, but they have severe dietary restrictions anyway. The only problem I'm aware of with aspartame is that consumption of any sweetener is associated with weight gain, possibly due to changes in the brain's associ…

I thought the issue with artificial sweeteners is that they trick your brain into thinking you’re eating or about to eat sugar, and then your liver produces a crapton of insulin which just makes you fat. Oh, and then your body expects sugar but doesn’t get any so you get even hungrier, quicker.

I agree that aspartame itself is safe (as far as we know), but it still tries to trick your body in ways that aren’t conducive to decent eating habits.

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Post by dashundchen »

sethammons wrote: post #283
devmunchies wrote: post #223

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Myth. There's much more estrogen in dairy. Milk is packed with hormones. It comes from a female cow after giving birth for heavens sake.

"The bullets from handguns." "Myth. There's much more 'bullet' to a rifle round." Just because there may be more estrogen in milk, how does that take away from the estrogen in soy?

Soy doesn't contain estrogen, it contains phytoestrogens. This is a common misunderstanding.

Phytoestrogens include isoflavones in soy, which can have a wide variety of effects, (including decreasing estrogen levels) depending on gut flora, age, sex, hormone levels https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

hutzlibu wrote: post #232

I am not sure, how appropriate this is, but a related question/poll: there is the stereotype, that hackers/IT guys are in general fat/unhealthy. But in my experience, this is not at all true. It might just be my circles of people (mostly germans around 30), but most of the IT guys I know, take good care of their body, eat healthy and do all kinds of sports. Even though some are now starting to get lazy, the overall p…

Office of 5 developers here - UK, in our 20s and 30s. We have a marathon runner / CrossFitter, a triathlonner, martial artist, and a weightlifter. Only one of us isn't into some kind of "fitness", although he doesn't have a car so he walks everywhere. None of use are overweight by anyone's standards.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #25

The whole phenomenon of sugar and fructose being added to virtually everything is beyond comprehension. There are so many people, fat and slim, saying they don't want to be fat, yet eating foods with added sugar every day. Why not just replace all the added sugar with erythritol, for example? The whole situation with sugar reminds me of the situation with opium in early 19th century China

> Why not just replace all the added sugar with erythritol, for example?

Why not just stop sweetening things. When I took my family to the US for three months the children were astonished at how sweet everything was. You can tell that something is wrong when even children complain that things are too sweet to eat.

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