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I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by mratzloff »

pdimitar wrote: post #321

Seriously? You are on the FCC and expect other people to fix your problems? What are you doing, playing Solitaire all day? YOU NEED TO BE DOING STUFF RIGHT NOW , not tomorrow, not next week. Now. Call ISPs which are against NN repeal. Tell them to pull all the strings they have available. Call senators. Do counter-lobbying, aren't you americans big fans of lobbies? I don't care what you do. DO SOMETHING. The internet…

1) She is one of five FCC commissioners. She and one other oppose changes to net neutrality. On her own, she can't keep the status quo.

2) You have no idea what she is doing in the background.

3) Mass public outrage is the only way the public is ever heard. She is asking the public to mobilize to help her fight this change. Her voice is an important one, since she is on the FCC and views these changes as dangerous.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by mratzloff »

nightski wrote: post #54
brian-armstrong wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call them. Write them. The internet comments don't really amount to much. But if you call or write, they will at least have a tally of how many complaints they've received. They may not see your complaint specifically but at least it counts, unlike internet complaints

I'm happy to do so. But in the end should we even need to do this crap? Isn't it just so obvious how bad this is that our representatives should be fighting it without calls? It just baffles me.

"Should" isn't a helpful word when reasoning about reality.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by ilaksh »

RpFLCL wrote: post #16

>Reach out to the rest of the FCC now. Tell them they can’t take away internet openness without a fight. How? As this article mentions, their comment system had issues (spam and DDoS) and the only other avenue I've seen is to beg our representatives (who aren't part of the December vote) to do _something_. It was a clean and concise piece, but I was hoping that an insider would provide a new course of action. I've se…

I sent an email to one of them saying something like "this type of moral failure will lead to the downfall of Western civilization". Heh. I hope it was an exaggeration.

Ajit Pai - Ajit.Pai@fcc.gov

Mignon Clyburn - Mignon.Clyburn@fcc.gov (confirmed 'no' vote)

Michael O'Rielly - Mike.ORielly@fcc.gov

Brendan Carr - Brendan.Carr@fcc.gov

Jessica Rosenworcel - Jessica.Rosenworcel@fcc.gov (confirmed 'no' vote)

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by ilaksh »

nightski wrote: post #54
brian-armstrong wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call them. Write them. The internet comments don't really amount to much. But if you call or write, they will at least have a tally of how many complaints they've received. They may not see your complaint specifically but at least it counts, unlike internet complaints

I'm happy to do so. But in the end should we even need to do this crap? Isn't it just so obvious how bad this is that our representatives should be fighting it without calls? It just baffles me.

No we shouldn't.. the government is supposed to work for us.. but instead its basically a criminal enterprise in large part.

At this point we may need to make a totally new decentralize internet with meshnets or something. I think that we should just come up with a way to do like cable protection/management in the streets and start laying out fiber in the gutters guerilla style.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by mratzloff »

luckydude wrote: post #38

I feel helpless. In this and in many things that this administration has brought on. Vote? Yeah, right. Sign a petition? Yeah, right. I feel like unless there are real ramifications to the people doing this stuff, nothing we do matters.

Go to a town hall. Call.

Both of these are more important than voting (which you should also do).

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by Delmania »

netsec_burn wrote: post #43

Nick Gillespie: Your plan will, according to a write up in Politico, and I think this is accurate, it quote, "will jettison rules that prohibit internet service providers from blocking or slowing web traffic or creating so called paid internet fast lanes." Question for you, do you think fast lanes will become a thing? What is the value of a internet fast lane? Ajit Pai: The answer to the first is we're not sure. We'v…

Make no mistake, Pai is a former Verizon lawyer, he's not misled as he is intentionally misleading. He knows very well the ISPs will exploit as much as they can and then rely on a slow legal system to keep it going. He knows very well the ISPs want the benefits of being a monopoly with none of the regulations. Why do you think he prematurely said the states will not be able to pass their own net neutrality laws? The main ISPs in this nation are some of the most corrupt, unethical, and anti-consumer organizations around, and because there's no competiton (and they do work hard to keep it that way). While I agree with Pai that we need more competition, repealing NN will not do that.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by uhhhhhhh »

jquery wrote: post #157
ep103 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how you read my comment, and came to the exact opposite conclusion to what I was saying. What I literally just said was that we have had NN for the last 20 years. The exact legal definition for how the FCC enforces NN changed 2 years ago, but the fact that they continued enforcing NN did not. If Ajit Pai gets his way with this vote, the FCC will no longer be allowed to enforce NN. This would be the…

Good thing we have elections and laws and if the bad behavior you predict happens (which I doubt) we can fix the situation.

I'm amazed at your lack of knowledge on a subject you insist on repeatedly commenting about.

Net Neutrality has existed longer than you pretend, nearly 15 years in various forms that have gotten stronger over time.

We have past examples of the bad behavior being stopped by net neutrality you are trying to pretend may or may not happen in the future.

The "Market" solution was already tried, and bad actors/bad behaviors already drove the "solution" of net neutrality. You're pretending the past doesn't exist and you're claiming we haven't tried and watched the market solution fail to protect consumers.

As for other comments, no China doesn't have Net Neutrality. Without NN, ISP's were deregulated preventing the FTC/FCC from being able to regulate them specifically as you've claimed. What consumers want with NN doesn't immediately fall under "anti-competitive" (look at cable for example), so no the FTC/FCC cannot use anti-competitive regulations to provide the same consumer protections as NN.

You repeatedly confuse censorship with "pay to access" or "pay to perform". NN isn't to prevent censorship, its to prevent pay for access/speeds and turning the web into a tiered/package platform like cable is.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

icebraining wrote: post #235
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #188

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> They don't want NN when it comes to gaming latency vs. email latency. That isn't a thing. ISPs don't actually do that. Latency on any reasonably provisioned network is determined by distance and the speed of light. There is no magic thing routers can do for special packets to make it go down, it's just the laws of physics. They could only do something when the network isn't reasonably provisioned and the ISP's upli…

As far as I know, every consumer ISP everywhere oversells their capacity, counting on people not using it at max capacity 24x7. That implies sometimes there will be moments of congestion in the uplinks.

> As far as I know, every consumer ISP everywhere oversells their capacity, counting on people not using it at max capacity 24x7. That implies sometimes there will be moments of congestion in the uplinks.

No it doesn't. Having every customer use 100% of their connection at the same time is something that could happen in theory, but it never happens in practice. Literally never.

A certain amount of over-subscription is perfectly reasonable. As long as you have the capacity for the actual peak load, there is no congestion, regardless of whether you have enough capacity for the theoretical peak load.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by [deleted] »

zwily wrote: post #320
loup-vaillant wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait a minute, the opposite of net neutrality is called "net freedom "? This is sick (the lack of net neutrality is more likely to reduce freedoms than to promote them). If you remotely support net neutrality, please never use that term again. This is self defeating.

Sounds like pro-life/pro-choice. Both sound so good!

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