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Re: Y Combinator Cuts Ties with Peter Thiel After Ending Part-Time Partner Program

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Post by dogma1138 »

Mithaldu wrote: post #150
dogma1138 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation in Yemen started way before Trump, Yemen, Libya and Syria are a failure of US foreign policy which predates Trump; Obama had a much bigger role in them. Yemen like Syria is a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. The previous administration for better or for worse empowered Iran. Much of the mess was predicted by quite a few analysts shortly after Obama’s speech to the Arab world in Cairo. As far as…

> you kinda said now no. Thanks for agreeing with the parts you didn't mention tho. The ones you mentioned, we can disagree on them, if only because nothing useful is gonna come from further discussion of them here.

Disagree on what that Obama’s policies drastically escalated what happened in Syria and Yemen or that some how Trump is to blame for a conflict that started nearly 3 years ago...

I don’t like Trump i personally think he has a mental condition and it scares the shit out of me that he has access to the nuclear launch codes but all you blame him for isn’t his credit.

Re: Y Combinator Cuts Ties with Peter Thiel After Ending Part-Time Partner Program

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Post by Mithaldu »

dogma1138 wrote: post #151
Mithaldu wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you kinda said now no. Thanks for agreeing with the parts you didn't mention tho. The ones you mentioned, we can disagree on them, if only because nothing useful is gonna come from further discussion of them here.

Disagree on what that Obama’s policies drastically escalated what happened in Syria and Yemen or that some how Trump is to blame for a conflict that started nearly 3 years ago... I don’t like Trump i personally think he has a mental condition and it scares the shit out of me that he has access to the nuclear launch codes but all you blame him for isn’t his credit.

You agree on the big points, so i don't care to argue on the less big ones.

Re: Y Combinator Cuts Ties with Peter Thiel After Ending Part-Time Partner Program

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Post by dogma1138 »

Mithaldu wrote: post #152
dogma1138 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree on what that Obama’s policies drastically escalated what happened in Syria and Yemen or that some how Trump is to blame for a conflict that started nearly 3 years ago... I don’t like Trump i personally think he has a mental condition and it scares the shit out of me that he has access to the nuclear launch codes but all you blame him for isn’t his credit.

You agree on the big points, so i don't care to argue on the less big ones.

Which points exactly?

Re: Y Combinator Cuts Ties with Peter Thiel After Ending Part-Time Partner Program

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Post by arprocter »

evangelista wrote: post #42

I am still really puzzled over exactly why Peter Thiel so so hated. I believe the level of hatred is completely unwarranted. From my understanding, it boils down to this: - He is remotely associated with Trump - He helped take down Gawker - ....something something something...but he backed Trump! For the Gawker part: Gawker outed him without his permission. Outing a gay man is something the tabloids used to do in the…

>Y Combinator was expected to "Apologize" for not firing someone for holding political beliefs that align them with 42%

Isn’t your percentage of those who bothered to vote?

40-50% (everywhere quotes different numbers) of eligible voters didn’t vote in 2016

Re: Y Combinator Cuts Ties with Peter Thiel After Ending Part-Time Partner Program

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Post by dredmorbius »

alexanderstears wrote: post #130
s73ver_ wrote: post #123

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Nothing I've seen indicates that's even remotely close to the truth. He wants power to be concentrated with him.

Then why did he support another person's presidential run? And why is it a problem for him to concentrate power so long as the power transfer is consensual? or democratic?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_born_citizen

Re: Y Combinator Cuts Ties with Peter Thiel After Ending Part-Time Partner Program

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Post by alexanderstears »

dredmorbius wrote: post #155
alexanderstears wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why did he support another person's presidential run? And why is it a problem for him to concentrate power so long as the power transfer is consensual? or democratic?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_born_citizen

If we're fine with Ted Cruz running for the Presidency and Obama being President, every human alive is a natural born citizen.

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Post by vorotato »

SeoxyS wrote: post #128
shadowtree wrote: post #96

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He also wrote a libertarian pamphlet where he called women's right to vote a blocker of a truly capitalist democracy. Never backed down that claim. Here is the pamphlet, from 2009: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio... Quote: "Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — h…

I'm not sure why that quote that people keep bringing up is so outrageous to people. In my opinion, it's a pretty factual analysis of the political climate; in which the voter demographics have shifted in a way which makes it tough for libertarians to win elections. Welfare recipients, for obvious reasons, are anti-libertarian. Women, supposedly, are also less libertarian than men? I don't know if that's true; but re…

Males receive public assistance in roughly equal proportion to women. It's not a fact if you don't know that it's true and don't have any evidence.

Re: Y Combinator Cuts Ties with Peter Thiel After Ending Part-Time Partner Program

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Post by s73ver_ »

alexanderstears wrote: post #156
dredmorbius wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_born_citizen

If we're fine with Ted Cruz running for the Presidency and Obama being President, every human alive is a natural born citizen.

That's a big ol' [Citation Needed]. You're gonna have to explain why you believe those two would be ineligible.

Re: Y Combinator Cuts Ties with Peter Thiel After Ending Part-Time Partner Program

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Post by taysic »

fareesh wrote: post #119
evangelista wrote: post #42

I am still really puzzled over exactly why Peter Thiel so so hated. I believe the level of hatred is completely unwarranted. From my understanding, it boils down to this: - He is remotely associated with Trump - He helped take down Gawker - ....something something something...but he backed Trump! For the Gawker part: Gawker outed him without his permission. Outing a gay man is something the tabloids used to do in the…

I have great admiration for Thiel as an entrepreneur and I agree with him on a number of his economic views. It's unfortunate that his infamous Cato essay point about women and welfare recipients being difficult constituencies for libertarians has been misconstrued (maybe purposely for political reasons?) as if to mean "women and welfare recipients should therefore not be allowed to vote". When I watch the American n…

His original quote was

"Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron."

He seems pro democracy but then seems to think that some people's voting patterns threaten it.

He clarified the statement with:

"It would be absurd to suggest that women’s votes will be taken away or that this would solve the political problems that vex us. While I don’t think any class of people should be disenfranchised, I have little hope that voting will make things better"

So he doesn't like voting at all? Isn't that a pillar of democracy? Strange and I am libertarian leaning...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-donates-don...

Re: Y Combinator Cuts Ties with Peter Thiel After Ending Part-Time Partner Program

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Post by fareesh »

taysic wrote: post #159
fareesh wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have great admiration for Thiel as an entrepreneur and I agree with him on a number of his economic views. It's unfortunate that his infamous Cato essay point about women and welfare recipients being difficult constituencies for libertarians has been misconstrued (maybe purposely for political reasons?) as if to mean "women and welfare recipients should therefore not be allowed to vote". When I watch the American n…

His original quote was "Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron." He seems pro democracy but then seems to think that some people's voting patterns threaten it. He clarified the statement with: "It would be absurd to suggest t…

If Rivendell one day decided to become a democracy, and I as an Orc wanted to bring the Orcish way of life to Rivendell, the prospect of Elves being allowed to vote would factually be a hindrance to that kind of model assuming that Elves want to preserve their existing Elvish way of life.

(The implicit assumption here is that these particular voting groups are statistically more in favor of a welfare based system than a merit based one.)

Therefore, if one were to believe that the Orcish way of life equals "making things better", and one is living in a democratic system where the Elves are allowed to vote, then I would "have little hope that voting will make things better", since voting would lead us away from an Orcish way of life, which I assume to be superior.

He loves voting

He thinks taking away voting rights is absurd

He has little hope that voting is going to make things better, given the outcome of those votes.

The opinion here is "capitalism good, libertarianism good, democracy good, XYZ groups tend to vote against my political philosophy". The rest is facts.

Given that the democracy votes the way it does, and is heavily affected by the votes of XYZ groups given their sizes, factually, voting will not make things opinionatedly better, as an outcome.

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