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To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#61

Post by DiThi »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #40
tbabb wrote: post #4

No. To save the internet, we have to make the most gigantic stink the world has seen since the Trump election. The solution is not "give up and let this pass, and then quietly try to work around it." It's "make the people in power pay DEARLY for their transgressions."

Let's be clear on something. "The Internet" doesn't care how Americans go about ruining their economy by prioritizing certain network traffic. As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC. If anything the FCC rejecting net neutrality may be a boon for investment in EU startups and might actually benefit the EU tech sector. So go right ahead and take a crap on yourself America. But let's be clear that the…

Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. You probably think of things like software patents, that were rejected in the EU. But that was a very long fight!

I hope we don't even have to _start_ the net neutrality fight in the EU, by winning it outside.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#62

Post by boomboomsubban »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #20
visarga wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your solution needs to be refreshed with each election, we need a permanent solution that won't be reversed 2 years later.

Step 1: Try to convince the FCC to not vote to kill NN. Step 2: Call your members of Congress and tell them to enshrine NN into law. Step 3: Vote your Rep out next year if they refuse to do what you ask for. Step 4: Vote out the President in 2020 if he vetoes NN. Pretty straightforward, imho.

If next year my choice of mai party reps to vote for boths support ending net neutrality, then what? Vote third party and hope a majority of my state has also turned politics into a one issue system?

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#63

Post by StavrosK »

DiThi wrote: post #61
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be clear on something. "The Internet" doesn't care how Americans go about ruining their economy by prioritizing certain network traffic. As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC. If anything the FCC rejecting net neutrality may be a boon for investment in EU startups and might actually benefit the EU tech sector. So go right ahead and take a crap on yourself America. But let's be clear that the…

Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. You probably think of things like software patents, that were rejected in the EU. But that was a very long fight! I hope we don't even have to _start_ the net neutrality fight in the EU, by winning it outside.

Copy the most successful country in the world? Who would want a great firewall?

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#64

Post by Sir_Substance »

DiThi wrote: post #61
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be clear on something. "The Internet" doesn't care how Americans go about ruining their economy by prioritizing certain network traffic. As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC. If anything the FCC rejecting net neutrality may be a boon for investment in EU startups and might actually benefit the EU tech sector. So go right ahead and take a crap on yourself America. But let's be clear that the…

Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. You probably think of things like software patents, that were rejected in the EU. But that was a very long fight! I hope we don't even have to _start_ the net neutrality fight in the EU, by winning it outside.

>Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth.

By what criteria is the USA "most successful country on earth"?

Also, by "most countries" you mean "countries with legal codes even vaguely compatible with Westminster-derived legal concepts" which is in no way "most countries" in a global sense, right?

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#65

Post by DiThi »

StavrosK wrote: post #63
DiThi wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. You probably think of things like software patents, that were rejected in the EU. But that was a very long fight! I hope we don't even have to _start_ the net neutrality fight in the EU, by winning it outside.

Copy the most successful country in the world? Who would want a great firewall?

Maybe that's the plan in the USA... Without NN it's easier than with NN.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#66

Post by DiThi »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #64
DiThi wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. You probably think of things like software patents, that were rejected in the EU. But that was a very long fight! I hope we don't even have to _start_ the net neutrality fight in the EU, by winning it outside.

>Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. By what criteria is the USA "most successful country on earth"? Also, by "most countries" you mean "countries with legal codes even vaguely compatible with Westminster-derived legal concepts" which is in no way "most countries" in a global sense, right?

> By what criteria is the USA "most successful country on earth"?

Power, influence, GDP. Things that matter to politicians, which are the ones that get to choose these matters.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#67

Post by colejohnson66 »

gigama wrote: post #35

I don't quite buy this suggestion. ISPs would easily be able to identify and block VPN traffic running over their lines. The best action here is to act while there is still time to change course. Another pressure point besides contacting your gov representatives (or visiting their offices in person!) is to contact Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and let them know that you, your friends and family will cancel contracts and boy…

> Another pressure point besides contacting your gov representatives (or visiting their offices in person!) is to contact Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and let them know that you, your friends and family will cancel contracts and boycott their services if they continue to support Pai and his dangerous agenda.

The rep on the line might not even know what you’d be going on about and would just cancel your line without relaying the message.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#68

Post by musage »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #40
tbabb wrote: post #4

No. To save the internet, we have to make the most gigantic stink the world has seen since the Trump election. The solution is not "give up and let this pass, and then quietly try to work around it." It's "make the people in power pay DEARLY for their transgressions."

Let's be clear on something. "The Internet" doesn't care how Americans go about ruining their economy by prioritizing certain network traffic. As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC. If anything the FCC rejecting net neutrality may be a boon for investment in EU startups and might actually benefit the EU tech sector. So go right ahead and take a crap on yourself America. But let's be clear that the…

> As a Dutchie my Internet is largely unaffected by the FCC.

Which in turn doesn't affect my outlook or my agreement with GP. I don't want to convince you either, I just want to route around you.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#69

Post by [deleted] »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #67
gigama wrote: post #35

I don't quite buy this suggestion. ISPs would easily be able to identify and block VPN traffic running over their lines. The best action here is to act while there is still time to change course. Another pressure point besides contacting your gov representatives (or visiting their offices in person!) is to contact Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and let them know that you, your friends and family will cancel contracts and boy…

> Another pressure point besides contacting your gov representatives (or visiting their offices in person!) is to contact Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and let them know that you, your friends and family will cancel contracts and boycott their services if they continue to support Pai and his dangerous agenda. The rep on the line might not even know what you’d be going on about and would just cancel your line without relayin…

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Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#70

Post by [deleted] »

DiThi wrote: post #66
Sir_Substance wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. By what criteria is the USA "most successful country on earth"? Also, by "most countries" you mean "countries with legal codes even vaguely compatible with Westminster-derived legal concepts" which is in no way "most countries" in a global sense, right?

> By what criteria is the USA "most successful country on earth"? Power, influence, GDP. Things that matter to politicians, which are the ones that get to choose these matters.

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