I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

Post by kevinchen » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 8:52 AM UTC

jakeogh wrote: post #251

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> ... I called and canceled my decade old ~$90/mo acct on the spot So... what do you do for internet access now? Oh, you have more than one legitimate option in your area? Lucky you. Many people don't.

Tethered my ATT acct for now. Prob go with my local microwave provider here in Tucson. Why arg for 'NN' when the real beef when you get down to it is the lack of competition?

Post by Jedi72 » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 8:55 AM UTC

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I dont necessarily agree with the following but its a devils advocate argument I rarely see shared, and it has a lot of merit. Like everything, this issue is shades of grey. Bandwidth is a limited amd expensive resource. When government mandated price controls are in effect ("Net neutrality" is a marketing meme) this expense is effectively socialised across the entire country. It is illegal for a telco to go to a hos…

net neutrality != government mandated price controls, so the argument goes nowhere. Companies can charge whatever they want. The other problems you describe could be solved by making false advertising illegal. Don't offer unlimited bandwidth, unlimited transfers or any of this mumbo-jumbo if you can't technically fulfill the promise. It's not your neighbors fault if he uses the Internet for whatever he wants to use i…

Post by hirsin » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 8:56 AM UTC

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According to the DOT [1] it looks like my intuition is a bit out of date. Right now US freight about even, trucking still a little bit ahead by ton-mile. Ten years ago rail carried 2/3 as much freight as trucks. Last-mile delivery on trucks (from the rail station to the point of use) is taken care of by the unit of measurement (one ton of freight traveling one mile), so I think that those numbers are relatively reaso…

It's wasn't obvious to me that trucking is much less energy effecient than rail. According to treehugger.com rail achieves "400 ton-miles per gallon whereas trucks currently hover around 130 ton-miles per gallon" [1]. I wonder why that would be - rubber tires vs steel-on-steel? Traffic? There isn't much traffic during the majority of a long-haul and the last few miles have to be done by truck anyway. [1] https://www.…

Post by JohnStrange » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 8:58 AM UTC

Jedi72 wrote: post #263

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net neutrality != government mandated price controls, so the argument goes nowhere. Companies can charge whatever they want. The other problems you describe could be solved by making false advertising illegal. Don't offer unlimited bandwidth, unlimited transfers or any of this mumbo-jumbo if you can't technically fulfill the promise. It's not your neighbors fault if he uses the Internet for whatever he wants to use i…

Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating most of the Internet must treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication.[1] For instance, under these principles, internet service providers are unable to intentionally block, slow down…

Post by jakeogh » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 8:59 AM UTC

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Tethered my ATT acct for now. Prob go with my local microwave provider here in Tucson. Why arg for 'NN' when the real beef when you get down to it is the lack of competition?

Lack of competition often comes from municipal governments granting local monopolies. Good luck fighting that out city by city.