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It has many peers. Even if it's throttled on each one, they could distribute the load.
How much of that load is carried by Comcast-approved hosts?
It will be a cat-and-mouse game.
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>But this is ignoring the whole debate: proponents of net freedom don't consider fast lanes to be a problem. And they literally wouldn't be if internet service was delivered in a free market. The problem is that the market isn't free. ISPs have spent years rigging the market in their favor, politically. The landscape is already hostile to the consumer--they intend to make it more so.
That's why the law should dissociate the "tubes" from the service providers. Let any company operate on the infrastructure with their own policies as long as they rent the lines, and the lines should be traffic agnostic by definition.
That's by far the best solution.
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#233Bottom line: This gov. is looking for more control. Comcast, Verizon, AT&T... are looking for more profit.
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#234I was kind of confused why many big tech companies are for net neutrality. As someone who doesn't trust big tech companies, it made me doubtful.
But I guess it makes sense; big tech companies have a lot of power right now because of net neutrality and they don't want it to fall into the hands of ISPs...
Big internet companies that currently have direct guaranteed access to users don't want to be forced to make deals with middlemen who work for ISPs.
Getting rid of net neutrality will allow ISPs to claim a piece of the pie. They will be able to cut into the profit margins of the most profitable companies while allowing the least profitable ones to get a discount.
Getting rid of net neutrality would be similar to how it works in commercial real estate; if your business isn't doing well, you can make a deal with your landlord to get a discount on your rent... The rent prices are inconsistent. But if the landlord always sees a long queue of customers outside your shop, they may be tempted to increase your rent.
The main concern I have with removing net neutrality is what would happen to peer-to-peer services... Maybe some ISPs will attempt to block them.
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Most people want NN, when it comes to censorship (this is why I use Sonic.net). They don't want NN when it comes to gaming latency vs. email latency. There's a big difference, but NN lumps them in as the same thing. This is why we should punt to Congress that ensures NN applies to the First Amendment but not to voluntary trade.
> They don't want NN when it comes to gaming latency vs. email latency. That isn't a thing. ISPs don't actually do that. Latency on any reasonably provisioned network is determined by distance and the speed of light. There is no magic thing routers can do for special packets to make it go down, it's just the laws of physics. They could only do something when the network isn't reasonably provisioned and the ISP's upli…
As far as I know, every consumer ISP everywhere oversells their capacity, counting on people not using it at max capacity 24x7. That implies sometimes there will be moments of congestion in the uplinks.
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#236Maybe it's time to have national referendums...
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#237Nationalize the internet. I'm not kidding. We paid for it in the first place, and if it's such a critical piece of economic infrastructure that market intervention needs to be mitigated, the solution is to nationalize it. How? Take the municipal broadband idea, and scale it up. It's not really hard. Net neutrality only privileges one set of multi-billion-dollar corporations over another set of multi-billion-dollar co…
There's a problem with that idea, which is that then the internet is at the mercy of those in congress who want to shut down the government all the time, because they won't pass a budget unless we go on a governmental starvation diet, while at the same time giving tax breaks to the rich.
Then let's replace the government with open source AI and ML algorithms. End corruption!
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd argue that taking to the street and protesting is also just giving people the illusion that they're doing something useful. The Iraq War protests were some of the largest in history, and they accomplished exactly nothing (and to your example, look up Malachi Ritscher). Occupy Wall Street was a massive movement and accomplished nothing. The protests against Obamacare repeal were massive and widespread, and seem to…
> Office holders are not beholden to people yelling in the streets but to the people who get them elected That's completely incorrect, the easiest thing in politics is to get people to vote for you, especially in a two-party system that effectively prevents challengers to the status quo in an election. All in all, the only power that people effectively have is the power to revolt. Democracy is a peaceful system of go…
Or, alternatively, having more than two parties is also an option. Because then you have a real choice. I have that choice. If I don't like the currently ruling party I can vote for any of the numerous parties that I feel represent me better. And unlike a 2-party-system people actually do that in mass to protest what the government is doing.
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#239If you're wondering, how the wonderful invisible hand of the market would use "net freedom" - say hello to Portugal. https://mobile.twitter.com/rokhanna/status/92370187109244108... I don't see how this benefits anybody besides the ISP. It just makes them find a multitude of reasons why $everybody should pay double and triple to get a proper connection.
some portuguese say it makes their internet affordable
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/799qzu/in_portugal_...
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#240NN is an excellent example of framing by naming. Imagine if it was called the the "More Internet Regulation Act". Prima facie it's a more accurate name. Since this is going to happen (reverting to the way it was for ~25 years), I'll point out that an echo chamber forms by default because most of us who might spend time arguing about it don't see a good reason to. Aside... the largest cable provider decided it would b…
A lot of Americans have entirely no choice in their broadband provider. Many areas have a single provider who actively prevents any other company providing access in that area. Those customers don't have the luxury of calling up and cancelling unless they're happy to go without broadband. "Vote with your wallet" only works outside of monopolies.