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I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by dingo_bat »

extra88 wrote: post #47
ikeboy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, a weighted average shows 3 times as many against as for http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii

Those appear to be economists, not Internet domain specialists. Less than half agree or strongly agree and in the weighted chart, a whopping 41% are Uncertain, which suggests they recognize that they don't know much about the subject. Many of the comments by Agree and Strongly Agree respondents indicate they don't understand the subject fully.

> 41% are Uncertain, which suggests they recognize that they don't know much about the subject

> comments by Agree and Strongly Agree respondents indicate they don't understand the subject fully

So according to this reasoning no matter what answer you give, you don't understand the issue.

> Those appear to be economists, not Internet domain specialists.

NN is about regulating the internet. Economists are experts in the domain of regulation.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by thesmallestcat »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #50
luckydude wrote: post #38

I feel helpless. In this and in many things that this administration has brought on. Vote? Yeah, right. Sign a petition? Yeah, right. I feel like unless there are real ramifications to the people doing this stuff, nothing we do matters.

You're a dope if you don't vote. It's impolite to mention this, but it is not a political problem, but a Republican problem. A Democratic administration's FCC enacted Net Neutrality, a Republican one is attempting to dismantle it. Vote for Democrats at every level of government, in every election possible. This will change some day, but today the Republican party has lost its mind and morals. To be clear, I'm not cal…

What a delightfully simplistic view of politics. You know about the Blue Dogs, right?

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by School-Cotton »

valine wrote: post #5

It’s amazing how the FCC can go against the American people when there is such overwhelming support for net neutrality.

Actually, the overwhelming majority of the American people outside of tech circles don’t give a shit. I’m pretty sure if you polled my non-tech friends, fewer than 10% would even know about the issue.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by brian-armstrong »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #50
luckydude wrote: post #38

I feel helpless. In this and in many things that this administration has brought on. Vote? Yeah, right. Sign a petition? Yeah, right. I feel like unless there are real ramifications to the people doing this stuff, nothing we do matters.

You're a dope if you don't vote. It's impolite to mention this, but it is not a political problem, but a Republican problem. A Democratic administration's FCC enacted Net Neutrality, a Republican one is attempting to dismantle it. Vote for Democrats at every level of government, in every election possible. This will change some day, but today the Republican party has lost its mind and morals. To be clear, I'm not cal…

It's worth noting that Ajit was installed by Obama

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by jquery »

jkestner wrote: post #25
JoshTriplett wrote: post #15

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> when there is such overwhelming support for net neutrality. I think you may be overestimating how representative technical communities are compared to the general public, as well as overestimating how universally people even in technical communities agree about this. (I also think that even with widespread agreement that wouldn't necessarily be enough, but I don't necessarily think that widespread agreement exists,…

Here's a poll of the general population. It's overwhelming. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/06/06/new-mozilla-poll-am...

I don't want the general population making what boils down to technical decisions about how the internet works. The name "net neutrality" is also very leading. If you know nothing about the subject it sounds quite appealing.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by ikeboy »

extra88 wrote: post #59
ikeboy wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall trying to argue against NN years ago here and getting down voted. It's interesting that economists largely are against NN as well. http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii

See my other comment, that's not what those charts say. Less than half of those economists surveyed think that net neutrality is bad policy.

There's a significant number of uncertain ones but those should be excluded, and then the ones against NN significantly outnumber the ones in favor. I don't see any other reasonable way to spin that.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by brian-armstrong »

visarga wrote: post #40
brian-armstrong wrote: post #11

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You are probably a little bit ignorant of how the internet works to make this comment. The big players are already peering with residential ISPs. That means there's a fiber line that connects Google to Comcast, to use an example. They pay for these arrangements. The little guys have to use transit. They don't have enough clout or money to peer. Without net neutrality, ISPs could start severely degrading those connect…

Users need to get directly involved in protecting the content they desire. In the long run we need a cross between TOR and bittorrent to create a distributed cache to avoid throttling. Local "metropolitan" bandwidth is very fast, hard drives have expanded 10x in 10 years. An alternative is to use WiFi mesh networks.

What makes you think this peer-to-peer network wouldn't be throttled?

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by agf »

School-Cotton wrote: post #56
agf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real protest means going to your local government to fight the internet access monopolies and duopolies. It means voting with your wallet and not supporting the companies pushing for this. It means showing up to vote next time instead of staying home. It means educating your neighbors about what this will mean for all of us. Don't pretend we've exhausted all alternatives to violence -- we haven't. We've barely done a…

Most of those have nothing to do with what “protest” means. It doesn’t just generically mean “participate in democracy”.

They're not all what people traditionally mean when they say protest, but the parent was talking about violence -- which I consider a separate category from protest. Definitionally, any act that registers disapproval or objection is protest -- so everything I listed is covered.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by dingo_bat »

extra88 wrote: post #59
ikeboy wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall trying to argue against NN years ago here and getting down voted. It's interesting that economists largely are against NN as well. http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii

See my other comment, that's not what those charts say. Less than half of those economists surveyed think that net neutrality is bad policy.

That's not what those charts say. Less than a sixth of the economists surveyed think nn is a good policy.

Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality

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Post by throwaway5752 »

thesmallestcat wrote: post #62
throwaway5752 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're a dope if you don't vote. It's impolite to mention this, but it is not a political problem, but a Republican problem. A Democratic administration's FCC enacted Net Neutrality, a Republican one is attempting to dismantle it. Vote for Democrats at every level of government, in every election possible. This will change some day, but today the Republican party has lost its mind and morals. To be clear, I'm not cal…

What a delightfully simplistic view of politics. You know about the Blue Dogs, right?

Yes. And?
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