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Post by dragonwriter »

jhasse wrote: post #638
dragonwriter wrote: post #490

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> Except Netflix doesn't care about net neutrality anymore Yes, they do: https://twitter.com/netflix/status/933042368156123136

That's just a tweet. On the other hand they partnered with Telekom (most popular ISP in Germany) for a service called "StreamOn". With that you can stream Netflix (and other partnered streaming sites) without affecting your monthly data cap.

So? Desires about what the legal context should be and business was strategy given what the legal context is are separate issues.

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Post by Mankhool »

collinmanderson wrote: post #443
skywhopper wrote: post #387

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You're assuming that most people have access to more than one ISP (they don't), or that statements by ISPs about what they intend to do or not do are truthful (they aren't). Specifically statements promising they would never do anything that would break net neutrality rules, while arguing against the imposition of net neutrality rules, would not make sense. Why oppose something you have no intention of doing?

90% have at least two providers of 10Mbps+ speed, but only 20% have at least two providers of 25Mbps+ speed. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/us-br... That could change though as more providers are rolling out fiber. (AT&T just rolled out Fiber to the Home in my neighborhood, and Comcast says they will do the same soon.)

How much of America is like this? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/21/republica...

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Post by vaishaksuresh »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #550
vaishaksuresh wrote: post #326

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I don't get what you're saying. How am I making Granny pay more? There are bandwidth caps and data usage caps, I pay for what I use. If I'm paying less than the cost of the resources I'm using, charge me more. Why does Granny or Netflix have to pay comcast for what I do on the internet? My electricity provider does not charge differently for setting up and maintaining the connection based on what I do with the electr…

> There are bandwidth caps and data usage caps, Actually, commercial ISPs don't really do bandwidth caps and datacaps are simply laughable as a means of controlling congestion. (Honestly, they're literally not a means of controlling congestion.) I really just want my ISP to be like my datacenter: 95%ile bandwidth billing. Nothing else. No services. No filtering. No "speed boosts." Just a connection to other networks.…

I get what you're saying and that is my point.

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Post by username223 »

Fnoord wrote: post #647
username223 wrote: post #591

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WAP = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_access_point If you visit the US, you will find that most internet access sucks, but that public libraries are surprisingly decent. You won't be playing "Call of Duty: Kill Nazis 2017" on it, but it's perfectly decent for most uses.

Oh, that. I always just call that AP. I'm glad you guys & gals got quality libraries on the other side of the pond. I can't speak for EU but here in NL they're dwindling both in quality as well as in size and amount. I find that problematic, as there are two big interest groups who benefit from public libraries: the poor, and the elder.

The US has a long history of supporting public libraries, e.g. the Carnegie libraries, which are often wonderful historic (by US standards) buildings[1]. Rather than holding stacks of physical books, modern libraries are a key source of information via the internet for many people today. In tiny rural towns, they are key parts of the community, and often surprisingly well-cared-for.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_library

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Post by jhasse »

dragonwriter wrote: post #651
jhasse wrote: post #638

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That's just a tweet. On the other hand they partnered with Telekom (most popular ISP in Germany) for a service called "StreamOn". With that you can stream Netflix (and other partnered streaming sites) without affecting your monthly data cap.

So? Desires about what the legal context should be and business was strategy given what the legal context is are separate issues.

German government regulation agency (Bundesnetzargentur) and the EU have their doubts that StreamOn is legal even in the current context. So by participating they are setting a statement.

It's like a vegetarian eating meat from factory farming every day.

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Post by imtringued »

Spivak wrote: post #189
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #156

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are you a paid troll? what good comes from selective throttling?

Just as an example, not getting shit internet speeds around 7:30 when everyone turns on Netflix.

We need batteries for internet traffic the same way we need batteries for renewable energy...

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Post by webXL »

tbabb wrote: post #633
webXL wrote: post #583

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> Exerting control over what people see and can say Who has done this? If monopolies can just raise prices, why would they bother only doing it for certain information? Seems like a BIG money loser!

Because differential pricing gives you power over human behavior, allowing you to make even more money. For example, by influencing public discourse and attaining regulatory capture.

> allowing you to make even more money

Is there any evidence to support that claim?

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Post by s73ver_ »

webXL wrote: post #624
s73ver_ wrote: post #588

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I've lived in 3, and in all of them, there was exactly one cable/internet provider.

When was that? Seems to be not much of a problem anymore if this is correct: https://broadbandnow.com/California/Orange

It's now. And that site is extremely misleading, because while all those companies are in the county, they don't serve the same areas. And as long as 1 person in the census block has access to the service, it's counted as serving the entire block.

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Post by sseveran »

acetheface wrote: post #470
sseveran wrote: post #432

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The issue typically is not that Comcast is oversubscribing their network, its that there is more traffic trying to enter their network from a specific peer than is provisioned. This is what was at the core of Cogent/Comcast dispute. If your position is that an ISP should be required to provide as much capacity to any peer who wants it than that is at least an intellectually honest argument to make. You could further…

Its not like the traffic is coming from no where. The traffic is being requested by Comcast's customers. So yes, they should be able to support the traffic their customers are requesting. If its not legitimate traffic, feel free to drop the peer. My arguement is that ISPs should deliver the product they sell to consumers. If the consumers demand for Netflix goes up, the ISP should adapt to ensure proper bandwidth at…

Comcast wasn't negotiating the Netflix, it was negotiating with Cogent for how much bandwidth Cogent wanted. Netflix just happens to be a large driver of Cogent's interconnect needs but not the only one. Looking from the other direction Netflix could have used additional transit providers but elected not to for whatever reasons. I would humbly suggest that very few people understand the complexity of the product that an ISP delivers.
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