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I think the Austrian school is considered legitimate school of economics though, right? It's not like these are amateur economists or anything.

@wavefunction I can't comment on your last message (I guess to prevent flamewars?), hopefully this doesn't get too confusing to follow. My understanding of the argument is that EM frequencies in a geography are a limited resource and therefore are best treated as property with "homesteading" giving the initial claim to that property. (Which re-reading what you wrote, I think you understand) The first time I heard tha…

I certainly encourage you to post anything thoughtful or personally resonant, especially as it is not my place nor my intent to police what ideas folks enjoy or discuss here or elsewhere. One could easily bring up some communist or even anarchist arguments for treatment of the EM band but they're definitely not mainstream either.

I don't personally subscribe to the homesteading concept due to the frequent historical problems with real-world examples of 'homesteading' resources.

On the one hand, I can recognize that the freedom to stake a claim on 'public' resources drove a huge amount of innovation and productivity in the American West. With it though came plenty of degradation, destruction and misuse as well. And one might even argue that it was only there to be homesteaded because the original inhabitants and their traditional cultures had been suppressed with force.

And the US Federal government has privatized public lands for things like military bases and Land Grant Universities just as it has with bands of the EM spectrum for emergency responders or other governmental uses. For the closest analog to public parks I'd look at the shortwave bands or ham radio operators. Even there, as in public parks, there are regulations on behavior.

It's an interesting discussion and in a more egalitarian world I might be more amenable to the view expressed by the original article. But today I look with deep suspicion on folks advancing the view that public goods should be privatized, due to what I consider a very irrational minority of people whose interests are purely selfish despite their claims to the contrary. Some folks wrap themselves in an ideology but really only seek to serve themselves.

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For those who don't understand why net neutrality is important, it is worthwhile to read about the history of communications (telephone, radio, TV). There is an excellent book by Tim Wu called The Master Switch [0] which investigates the history of communications (with an American focus), describes how each industry start out open to all (farmers using fences for telephone, independent radio broadcasters), and each o…

How would people react to the inaccessibility of porn sites? It is, after all, a huge part of many people's internet experience. And due to its taboo nature, it probably won't be publicly offered on the ISP plans.

Porn is listed on most TV services list

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It's unlikely popular and profitable services will be hindered by the lack of net neutrality. But any new services that threaten existing ones will be hard-pressed to compete. Imagine I start a new streaming service. In order for my service to reach people, ISP's will charge me a higher price than Netflix, probably a _significantly_ higher rate. This will make it extremely difficult for my new service to reach enough…

Don't forget about the cloud oligopolies... "Amazon EC2 and S3 now include prioritized traffic to the network edge through Amazon's deals with over a hundred local and regional ISPs. Just add traffic priority to any elastic IP or S3 bucket and for only $0.04/gb outgoing your traffic will take the fast lane to your customers!" How will Digital Ocean, Vultr, ARP Networks, Linode, etc. compete with that? What we're seei…

Paying for faster bits doesn't violate NN at all. That's just QoS. Paying more for Amazon bits than Google bits violates NN.

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What city? Provider of what?

I've lived in 3, and in all of them, there was exactly one cable/internet provider.

When was that? Seems to be not much of a problem anymore if this is correct: https://broadbandnow.com/California/Orange

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There was an article on techdirt which outlined the aftermath of killing NN in Portugal. The ISP started splitting net into several packages. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNGlrABUIAAr9RO.jpg:large

In Europe it’s pretty common for phone providers to offer a package that includes access to a popular service that won’t count towards your data limit. Here’s another example from O2 UK:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/how-phones-changed-the...

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Tweet in article: >On December 14, the FCC will vote on Chairman Pai's plan to repeal President Obama's heavy-handed Internet regulations and restore Internet freedom. I love how these laws are veiled with patriotic sentiments, e.g. "Internet Freedom". Just like the "Patriot Act", it is reasonable to assume anything with these sort of labels will likely be an encroachment on your freedoms. Also >"The job of the FCC i…

People are dropping cable due to the heavy-handed control and lack of choice. Why would ISPs want emulate that failing model? If Comcast is going to try to charge me more to be able to access Netflix, I'm gone.

>>>If Comcast is going to try to charge me more to be able to access Netflix, I'm gone.

If you have competitors to choose from, sure. If you don't? Or if all the competitors do the same thing?

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Would it be any different than YC promoting its companies here.

No, because YC doesn't take government subsidies to act as a dumb pipe. They also aren't a de-facto monopoly in any way, shape, or form. All of the incumbent ISPs are charged with stewardship of public resources to one extent or another, if only because they require right-of-way access. The fact that many Americans have a grand total of one decent broadband provider to choose from is another factor that has to be con…

If wires are public resources the government should buy it outright instead of giving subsidies. Public resources should be publically owned.

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Very true. Rural folks have it worst: monopoly or no access at all. If a company like Sinclair also owned the broadband, only payola TV would work, YouTube access and bandwidth could a tiered add-on, they’d block whichever company didn’t pay the extortion protection money with no means of recourse. Also, for everyone, billing would become more complexified, obscured to extract more money from consumers and thwart cos…

Don't people have access to 4G? I live in a tiny village (1000 people) and have 40/6 home Internet via 4G that I pay less than $10/mo with a 200 GB data cap that you can prepay $5 for 100 gb more if you spend it. I'm not from the U.S. though.

What magical country are you from? I'm going to guess at somewhere in Northern Europe?

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Don't people have access to 4G? I live in a tiny village (1000 people) and have 40/6 home Internet via 4G that I pay less than $10/mo with a 200 GB data cap that you can prepay $5 for 100 gb more if you spend it. I'm not from the U.S. though.

What magical country are you from? I'm going to guess at somewhere in Northern Europe?

It's Eastern Europe, Serbia to be precise. You can get unlimited high speed 4G for $30/mo without a contract. Vip mobile.
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