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Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by Ixiaus »

geebee wrote: post #33
ardit33 wrote: post #13

I think one major argument that he didn't mention is that NYC beats SF hands down in the 'getting laid' department. If you are young and your idea of having a good time is going out, partying until 4am, and getting laid often, then you should stay in NYC. If you a super hipster, social outcast and/or into weird stuff, then come to SF. Your friends are already here.

I actually had a similar experience. Spent most of my life in SF but lived for about 6 months in Manhattan. It was far, far easier to meet women. In fact, a guy can even be a bit of a wallflower and still meet women in Manhattan, because they will take the initiative. Funny, up to that point, I thought SF was a pretty good place to meet women, because my only point of comparison was San Diego, which is a pretty rough…

San Diego isn't that rough; it's only rough if you aren't in the "scene". That said, if it isn't your thing, then I could see why it wouldn't work out - Las Vegas was rough for me because my personality didn't fit in with the "scene" there.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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[deleted] wrote: post #39
geebee wrote: post #33

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I actually had a similar experience. Spent most of my life in SF but lived for about 6 months in Manhattan. It was far, far easier to meet women. In fact, a guy can even be a bit of a wallflower and still meet women in Manhattan, because they will take the initiative. Funny, up to that point, I thought SF was a pretty good place to meet women, because my only point of comparison was San Diego, which is a pretty rough…

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Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by moultano »

ardit33 wrote: post #13

I think one major argument that he didn't mention is that NYC beats SF hands down in the 'getting laid' department. If you are young and your idea of having a good time is going out, partying until 4am, and getting laid often, then you should stay in NYC. If you a super hipster, social outcast and/or into weird stuff, then come to SF. Your friends are already here.

In this regard, Chicago trumps all. Chicago is to New York, as New York is to SF. Normalize this graph for population and you'll see what I mean: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/06/where_are_all_the...

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by biggitybones »

davidw wrote: post #27
biggitybones wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seconded. I rarely interact with those types, and I work for a major consulting company in the city. There are multiple ways to avoid that crowd, starting with staying out of Murray Hill. The thing I love about New York is the inherent challenge. You're among some of the most competitive people in the world who love nothing more than to squash your idea. And if you manage to convince those people or rise from their n…

> The thing I love about New York is the inherent challenge. You're among some of the most competitive people in the world who love nothing more than to squash your idea. And if you manage to convince those people or rise from their negativity, you know you're onto something. So you're saying that if you have the ability to make it there, the probability of making it in other locations is high?

I always have trouble wording it in a way that doesn't convey that logic.. I just mean there's much more resistance to go through to vet your idea, for better or for worse. The NY tech community has a lot of the same personality as the HN community - just because you are a part of it doesn't make you less likely to succeed without it but it's great at providing guidance and critique.

I hope that clarifies, I still haven't found a great way to articulate it appropriately.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by haseman »

wooster wrote: post #31

Not every time, but much of the time, I try to talk about what I do with a New Yorker (most East Coasters, actually), they start by bringing a lot of stop energy[0]. They'll say something like "Why are you doing that when there's already X?"[1], "That'll never work because of Y"[2], "Why did you quit your job at Z?", "Why don't you go work at ABC Investments, Hedge Funds, and Worldwide Arbitrage, Inc?"[3], etc. It's…

I'm not sure a little stop energy is such a bad thing. I'd say take their views with some salt...but Silicon Valley tends to be an echo-chamber. What's important in the valley isn't always important everywhere else. Unless your business/venture/idea is only targeted at people in the Bay Area, it pays to keep a little attention elsewhere.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by pkchen »

risotto wrote: post #18
ardit33 wrote: post #13

I think one major argument that he didn't mention is that NYC beats SF hands down in the 'getting laid' department. If you are young and your idea of having a good time is going out, partying until 4am, and getting laid often, then you should stay in NYC. If you a super hipster, social outcast and/or into weird stuff, then come to SF. Your friends are already here.

It's shocking to me how few women there are in SF. The east coast is crawling with good looking, single young women. Most of them are really nice normal women with family oriented goals. Then NYC is full of wild girls that like to dress up, go out and have fun. LA is great in this regard too. Sure there are plenty of women in SF, but a good share of them are alt, hipster, vegan, etc. Nice enough still, but then the c…

Lots of hot, young girls in NYC ... but if you're running a startup, goooood luck. Tell them you work at a hedge fund instead, then maybe you'll get laid.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by cynicalkane »

pjhyett wrote: post #4
cageface wrote: post #3

Another common gripe about California that I'll echo here: there's no weather! It may sound masochistic but I miss the seasons, the snow, wearing a scarf, sheltering inside with a cold nose and hands with something warm. The passing of the seasons gives life a constant pulse and direction. The eternal summers of CA get to be disorienting after a while.

I find the ability to drive and experience seasons, like going to Tahoe during winter, is far more agreeable than being forced into them. I spent 20 years in Chicago with its freezing winters and hot and humid summers and San Francisco's mild climate is a dream.

Well, to each his own. I'm from Oakland, CA and I am fine with Chicago weather. It can get uncomfortable, but I'll take that as a trade-off for my near-downtown apartment in one of America's greatest cities at half the cost of a comparable place in NY or SF. The summers are actually better--Oakland will get these horrible 90-100 degree heat waves--and the problem of winter is easily solved by adding more layers.

Re: Choosing New York over San Francisco

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Post by noname123 »

pkchen wrote: post #48
risotto wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's shocking to me how few women there are in SF. The east coast is crawling with good looking, single young women. Most of them are really nice normal women with family oriented goals. Then NYC is full of wild girls that like to dress up, go out and have fun. LA is great in this regard too. Sure there are plenty of women in SF, but a good share of them are alt, hipster, vegan, etc. Nice enough still, but then the c…

Lots of hot, young girls in NYC ... but if you're running a startup, goooood luck. Tell them you work at a hedge fund instead, then maybe you'll get laid.

Seconded. All I have to do in the clubs is tell them that I work in Murders & Execution and next thing you know, I'm hailing a cab with my new catch in-tow.
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