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India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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For those pointing out that this is "Govt. distortion of markets", please see Agricultural subsidies offered in the US and Europe, which "distort" markets a lot more. Personally, I think this is an excellent idea. I really liked the story of the lady who said that her morning had been freed because she did not have to cook breakfast anymore. And for many of those using this place, it would similarly free up their tim…

> this is actually very nutritious

Depends on how it's made. Oil/butter is often added because it's cheap and provides "fullness" without being nutritionally satisfying. With food this cheap, you'll need to take a close look at what's actually going in the food.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are not that many Sikhs around. 22 million in a country of 1.2 billion. Most live in the north. You can't easily go get food from Sikhs.

The point about majority of Sikhs living in north is irrelevant. The gurudwara provide free food. There are multiple gurudwaras in almost all Indian states [1]. Most of them have langar though some only do on weekends. You can always find one using Google Maps at a location near you, though it might be inconvenient if you have limited means of travel. Several poor people shift base and reside outside or even inside g…

> ...it might be inconvenient if you have limited means of travel.

Google Maps...really? I don't mean offense for being obtuse, but I sense a bit of first-world bias in your assessment.

I would imagine that for someone who is so poor that finding a simple meal is a daily struggle, what I might perceive as an inconvenience is almost certainly a show-stopping barrier.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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post #116

To all of you arguing about how this is a market distortion; about economists who argue about "drain on the exchequer"; and to those logicians arguing about fallacious fallacies - did y'all have breakfast this morning? Yes? Good. Well, those people eating in those canteens might not have been able to have breakfast, but for those subsidized canteens. We should not put economics and "the market" on a pedestal. If some…

What makes you think that US farm subsidies are a good idea?

The parent never asserted that US farm subsidies are a good idea.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

#125
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For those pointing out that this is "Govt. distortion of markets", please see Agricultural subsidies offered in the US and Europe, which "distort" markets a lot more. What you're saying is a classic case of a logical fallacy, specifically, the fallacy of relative privation. Just because there is another bigger problem doesn't mean that this is a legitimate problem. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as

You are comitting a falacy falacy. Just because an argument is fallacious, doesn't mean it is wrong. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy

Not quite right: just because an argument is fallacious doesn't mean that the propositions on which it is based are false. Not a single proposition need be false, only the logic.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

#126
post #66

For those pointing out that this is "Govt. distortion of markets", please see Agricultural subsidies offered in the US and Europe, which "distort" markets a lot more. Personally, I think this is an excellent idea. I really liked the story of the lady who said that her morning had been freed because she did not have to cook breakfast anymore. And for many of those using this place, it would similarly free up their tim…

> this is actually very nutritious Depends on how it's made. Oil/butter is often added because it's cheap and provides "fullness" without being nutritionally satisfying. With food this cheap, you'll need to take a close look at what's actually going in the food.

Recent research has suggested that fats aren't really as bad as we thought they were, its the sugars that cause weight gain.

There is also a difference in the quality of life. Most of the clientele seem to be daily wage laborers, who could certainly use all the energy they could get.

But you are correct that it can go either way. I'm glad that lentils, at least, are part of the menu. And as someone living in the US, the meals offered seem like luxury compared with the crap fast food meal that seem to be the staple of lower class Americans (please, its not a Nationalist thing. American fast food is objectively bad for health).

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are committing a fallacy fallacy fallacy. If an argument is fallacious, it definitely is wrong. The proposition supported by that argument might still be right however.

If an argument is fallacious, it definitely is wrong. F^4: Not necessarily. For example, some would argue that an argument is not necessarily "wrong" if it is logically sound and produces a correct conclusion, even though it is fallacious because unbeknownst to the participants there is both a false premise and countervailing unknown factor. See Gettier Problems: http://www.iep.utm.edu/gettier/ . F^5: The notion that…

There cannot be an unknown factor which renders a valid argument in valid. An argument makes explicit all of the propositions on which it rests. The propositions themselves are irrelevant to validity: a valid argument is true for all possible combinations of truth values of the propositions. It is valid in any imaginable universe, so to speak. That is to say, we can take all of its distinct propositions, replace them with unique variable names, and then evaluate it for all combination of truth values of those variables, and it must come out true.

If an argument is valid, then we can further consider whether it is sound: are its propositions true when interpreted in some relevant world (often the real one, but possibly any imaginary world that the debaters agree about, e.g. the Star Trek universe or whatever). Being valid, the argument will of course be true, but if it is unsound for the given world, it will only somehow be vacuously true in that world. For instance, by exhibiting a false conclusion from a false premise in a conditional.

Applying this reasoning rigidly to the examples presented in http://www.iep.utm.edu/gettier/ readily unravels their issues. For instance, the lucky coincidence that Smith has ten coins in his pocket readily succumbs to the fact that this situation isn't true in all imaginable universes; it is a separate proposition from "Jones has ten coins in his pocket". It gets a separate variable, and is separately considered both false and true when we go through all the possible variable values.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

#128
post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think that US farm subsidies are a good idea?

The parent never asserted that US farm subsidies are a good idea.

As an non-American I would like to ask...

For people who are in the "patriotic" group. Your country needs to maintain the infrastructure to self-sustain it's people in a world war.

What would be a more effective strategy over food subsidies?

Edit: Sorry I meant Farm subsidies, not food stamps.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

#129
post #66

For those pointing out that this is "Govt. distortion of markets", please see Agricultural subsidies offered in the US and Europe, which "distort" markets a lot more. Personally, I think this is an excellent idea. I really liked the story of the lady who said that her morning had been freed because she did not have to cook breakfast anymore. And for many of those using this place, it would similarly free up their tim…

> this is actually very nutritious Depends on how it's made. Oil/butter is often added because it's cheap and provides "fullness" without being nutritionally satisfying. With food this cheap, you'll need to take a close look at what's actually going in the food.

Neither oil nor butter is cheap in India.

This isn't exactly your 80 rupees/dosa Darshini.

Of course the food quality won't be all that great. Thats also with children's mid day meal program in Government schools.

The base rule for things like this is something is better than going hungry.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

#130
post #3

I believe these are subsidized (the article does mention economists complaining that these are a drain on the exchequer). A more subtle point is that these subsidized "canteens" are in urban India, which is already much better off than rural India, where people even now regularly die of hunger[1]. I'm not saying urban poverty isn't a real issue, but the scale of poverty in rural India is much greater. It's worth noti…

>>I'm not saying urban poverty isn't a real issue

Most people I know who are eating here are service professionals. Drivers, janitors, poor students etc. And most have a positive feedback. Being able to afford food, which is hot and fills stomach, served almost wherever they work. They can eat quickly and get back to work.

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