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India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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For those pointing out that this is "Govt. distortion of markets", please see Agricultural subsidies offered in the US and Europe, which "distort" markets a lot more. Personally, I think this is an excellent idea. I really liked the story of the lady who said that her morning had been freed because she did not have to cook breakfast anymore. And for many of those using this place, it would similarly free up their tim…

> For those pointing out that this is "Govt. distortion of markets", please see Agricultural subsidies offered in the US and Europe, which "distort" markets a lot more. What you're saying is a classic case of a logical fallacy, specifically, the fallacy of relative privation. Just because there is another bigger problem doesn't mean that this is a legitimate problem. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as

You are comitting a falacy falacy. Just because an argument is fallacious, doesn't mean it is wrong.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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So, rent in the DC area starts at about $1400/mth. Period. If you're okay living with three roommates, you might be able to eke out something livable at $700 a month. But then you're sharing a house with people you don't know, and young women might be especially uncomfortable with that. Your other option is to live in someone's guest room or basement for $600. The people who rent out these rooms usually expect to be…

Do they have electricity? A mini-fridge runs So while I recognize that not everyone in that situation may be resourceful enough to realize this and do something about it, the notion that cooking becomes impossible is not accurate. The education for where to purchase these things cheaply and how to cook in restricted situations with them is admittedly still a problem though, and it seems like a lot of good could be do…

May be it is US thing or generally everywhere but I notice nowadays people think cooking either has to be elaborate/expensive or with such low efforts that one would not even like the meal they prepared for themselves. Hence eating out is so common even with less money.

For me since I always carry from home for lunch and eat dinner at home, so cooking needs to be in all categories like low/medium/elaborate efforts. And of course tasty enough that myself or anyone joining me reasonably like it.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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People snidely - and probably correctly - point out this is done for votes. That just seems overly cynical. Incentive alignment is a good thing - it's the whole basis of capitalism. I don't get why people feel the need to point it out in this manner.

You can’t just say “incentive alignment is good.” Incentive alignment is only “good” if they’re aligned with your incentives. If you are poor or approve of helping the poor get affordable food, then this is an instance of good incentive alignment. But, on the complete other side of the spectrum, if you’re poor and you observe the government giving tax breaks for private jets, that’s an example of bad incentive alignm…

If it's a democracy and the private jet owners are the majority - then more power to them. If they are not, and they only achieve "alignment" by any means that deny citizens of their right to vote, then shame on them.

Incentive alignment should be expected with the majority of society - or at least the voting public.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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Similar to the (sadly, fading) Bar Mleczny in Poland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_mleczny Simple food (Polish food obviously, not Indian), government-subsidized, targeted at students, the elderly, the poor, but not means-tested or anything so technically anyone can get a plate, including foreigners, for very cheap. Typically very good food, but horrible customer service (old women yelling at you to make up your…

> horrible customer service Things like that can easily become the identity of the place.

It's definitely part of the charm. Also motivates you to work on your Polish so you aren't tongue-tied.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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> For those pointing out that this is "Govt. distortion of markets", please see Agricultural subsidies offered in the US and Europe, which "distort" markets a lot more. What you're saying is a classic case of a logical fallacy, specifically, the fallacy of relative privation. Just because there is another bigger problem doesn't mean that this is a legitimate problem. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as

You are comitting a falacy falacy. Just because an argument is fallacious, doesn't mean it is wrong. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy

You are committing a fallacy fallacy fallacy. If an argument is fallacious, it definitely is wrong. The proposition supported by that argument might still be right however.

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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There's a growing mobile homeless or partially homeless (living in storage facilities or an RV without services) population in many of the more expensive cities; they live in the city for work, because that's where the jobs are, but can't actually afford to live there. Obviously, this isn't everyone who eats out who can't really afford it, but it's definitely some. If you don't have a fridge, you don't have a stove,…

Thank you for educating me on that aspect of the situation. Is there typically electricity in these situations? I ask because per my post below, I wonder how common it is to bootstrap up to a mini-fridge + pressure cooker or rice cooker or something like that. Seems like a few weeks of PB&J + cup ramen could provide for a significant upgrade in nutrition from purchasing those tools. I'm probably leaving out some impo…

It's wildly variable what resources someone in that kind of situation might have.

There was a guy living in the storage unit next to the one I have in Austin (for my stuff from when I moved out of a house and back into an RV). The folks who ran the storage facility let him run an extension cord to the nearest power; several people actually were living in that facility, despite it being illegal. So, in his case he did have electricity, and I believe he had a mini-fridge. We talked several times and he seemed to have a pretty reasonable setup. He even had a space heater for when it got cold. I never saw the inside of his house (he'd built a wall and second regular door behind the rolling garage style door), but he seemed to be reasonably comfortable and had regular work really close by (since he only had a bike, proximity was important). The last time I was there, he'd moved out, and the person working didn't know where he'd gone; I'm hoping he was doing well and got an apartment rather than ran into harder times.

Similarly, I've seen people use one of these to get electricity inside a storage unit when they didn't have particularly understanding landlords: http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/04/31/80/63/0004318063152_...

But, people in cars or vans probably don't have power. Some RVers have solar panels, and also RV fridges often also run on propane (though they aren't terribly efficient in the old RVs...I go through about $15/week running mine on propane). Propane fridges are very expensive and very fidgety and prone to breakage over time, however, so it's not uncommon to see the propane/electric dual-mode fridge replaced with an electric-only model in the cheapest old RVs. So, that limits the use of the fridge to times when it's plugged in.

I know someone who lives in a bus that she converted to an RV herself, but she didn't put in a fridge (yet), so while she has a stove, if she's not parked near a grocery, she is very limited in what she can cook. Some things keep well without refrigeration: onions, potatoes, winter squash, etc. She has potted plants for tomatoes and herbs, but she's much more intentional about her situation. She moved out of an apartment and into the bus by choice, not by necessity, and mostly enjoys the off-the-grid lifestyle. She made one of these for when she's in the desert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot-in-pot_refrigerator but those only work in very dry climates and aren't cold enough for many foods. Obviously wouldn't work in most places...and if you're in a city, you have to be self-contained and very discreet about where you're living. Can't really spread out and put out pots and stuff when parked on a street.

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It is not easy. I don't know why you're spreading this fallacy. India has one of the highest instances of malnourished children. If it was that easy, why are there so many hungry people?

Sure... if Indians are malnourished, how come the population keeps growing? It is usually the poor that have many children.

For some of the poor, just like they don't have access to food, they don't have access to contraceptives (or sex education).

Re: India's Indira canteen: The best meal you can buy for 13 cents

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For those pointing out that this is "Govt. distortion of markets", please see Agricultural subsidies offered in the US and Europe, which "distort" markets a lot more. Personally, I think this is an excellent idea. I really liked the story of the lady who said that her morning had been freed because she did not have to cook breakfast anymore. And for many of those using this place, it would similarly free up their tim…

This is a fantastic market distortion. They've established a quality floor for food without regulatory overhead.

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There is no one religion in India. People of minorities may not be comfortable going to a temple. Also, langars and temple food is pro bono and excellent volunteer work. It's not supposed to be relied upon to feed people below the poverty line.

Temples are open for all. They don't discriminate anyone. Ofcourse, if you will feel awkward, if you try to do namaz inside a temple.

It's still a volunteer service. It can't be relied upon for consistent meals. This is the government's job; everything else is a helping hand.

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There is no one religion in India. People of minorities may not be comfortable going to a temple. Also, langars and temple food is pro bono and excellent volunteer work. It's not supposed to be relied upon to feed people below the poverty line.

Temples are open for all. They don't discriminate anyone. Ofcourse, if you will feel awkward, if you try to do namaz inside a temple.

That's not true, actually. I know of several temples that do not allow non-Hindus in, for example [0]. I don't necessarily have an opinion on that, but it's not as uncommon as you think. I hope we can keep this discussion from going down the rabbit hole of discrimination in temples.

[0]: https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/legendary-singer-...

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