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How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

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>In one particularly egregious example, Mr. Cuomo’s administration forced the M.T.A. to send $5 million to bail out three state-run ski resorts that were struggling after a warm winter.

What? Do American State-level governments not have checks in place for this kind of stuff?

This sounds like something Mugabe would do for his private ski resorts, lol.

Re: How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

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New York's transport is baffling to me. The lack of a proper subway or special express train option to get quickly to the airports is doubly baffling. I guess the cross-state jurisdiction is one of the issues with Newark, but the AirTrain solution over at JFK is way subpar if compared to other major cities. I've been there twice in a few months and it's simply a disaster. 2.5 hrs by car to get to Newark from Williamsburg at 2pm on a Friday. I wonder what rush hour looks like.

Re: How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

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>In one particularly egregious example, Mr. Cuomo’s administration forced the M.T.A. to send $5 million to bail out three state-run ski resorts that were struggling after a warm winter. What? Do American State-level governments not have checks in place for this kind of stuff? This sounds like something Mugabe would do for his private ski resorts, lol.

they do have checks - and the MTA wrote one for $5m

Re: How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

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post #21

I don’t understand why American governments are so bad at providing public services. Money often isn’t it. The NY subway has an operating budget of $8 billion for about 1.7 billion riders per year ($4.7 per rider per year). The London Tube has an operating budget of (2.2 billion pounds—$3.5 billion pre-Brexit) for 1.4 billion riders ($2.5 per rider). The systems are in extremely similar cities, are almost exactly the…

> The systems are in extremely similar cities, are almost exactly the same route miles, and are similarly old. Yet NYC’s system costs almost twice as much to run. My two cents: things are more expensive in the United States due to us insisting on being so different in two major ways: 1.) Different safety and road standards. All of Europe, as well as many other countries have completely or partially adopted European r…

TfL is. Everyone does that. It's part of the taxes that employers pay on top of salaries.

That's part of the reason why the cost of an employee is so much higher than the salary, and it's one of the costs you save by having nominally independent contractors instead of employees.

TfL does have good planning, though, and is largely able to fix things before they grow too expensive.

https://pedestrianobservations.com/category/new-york/ BTW.

Re: How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the 4/5 between Union Square and 125th St is a sardine can from 7-10 AM and 5-7 PM daily even when they run every 3 minutes or whatever the rush hour gap is.

Moscow Metro does 40 of trains per hour (doesn't save from sardine can effect tho) so one per 3 minutes is not a hard limit.

The hard limit is a function of stops, layout, train length and acceleration/deceleration ability, and finally the signal system.

Each train has to approach a station, brake, stop, wait while people enter and leave, start and accelerate, all at safe distance to the trains in front and behind. Braking, standing still and starting easily add up to a minute, so a two-minute cycle time is hard even if the track layout is friendly (evenly spaced stations, no mutexes in the central area, etc).

Ninety seconds is really impressive.

Re: How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guarantee no amount of self-driving cars, Uber, or any other car-related technology will make people stop taking the subway in New York. The car bridges and tunnels into and out of Manhattan are at full capacity all day long. It is vastly faster to take the subway in most normal cases.

I've often wondered though why companies like the MTA don't transform their networks into things like Elon Musk's boring company type network

Because the passengers per hour is far lower under musk's scheme.

Re: How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

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New York's transport is baffling to me. The lack of a proper subway or special express train option to get quickly to the airports is doubly baffling. I guess the cross-state jurisdiction is one of the issues with Newark, but the AirTrain solution over at JFK is way subpar if compared to other major cities. I've been there twice in a few months and it's simply a disaster. 2.5 hrs by car to get to Newark from Williams…

Huh? NJTransit (train and bus) goes directly to Newark, and the last time I rode the AirTrain to JFK I had no problems. This is compared to other cities where I had to take a shuttle from the nearest train station to get to the airport...

Re: How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

#128

I take the subway almost everyday since the past 7 years and its been getting worse. NYC should learn something from Toronto and London. They have the best subway systems IMHO.

Lived in London for 1.5+ years and in Madrid for several years afterwards, and I think Madrid's system is better (not that London's is bad overall).

Cleaner, more modern, frequent trains, less delays.

Re: How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

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I've never been to New York and I've don't know much about the subway system but I was watching a documentary recently that showed they were building some new platforms underneath Grand Central station. I think from memory they were also building new lines to cope with the massive stress the service is under, so it looks like these problems are trying to be resolved?

Re: How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways

#130

I think a good response to the guy asking "What do you want, for us to make $15 an hour?" would be "No, but bringing you down to $50 an hour might be a reasonable starting point."

$50 an hour is $104k a year, figure MTA has not been hiring many people as their effective budget has shrunk, so what started as a low $100k salary has risen as their workforce ages.
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