Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
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Re: Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
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Re: Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
#3Back in the old days, when we actually manufactured clothing in this country, there was this concept of "piece work". You weren't paid by the hour, but instead by your work output. E.g. if you were performing some sewing step on a blouse, such as adding buttons, you might be paid $0.25 per blouse for that work step.
Of course employers tried to cheat, by setting the per-piece rate very low. You had to process many pieces to get a reasonable wage.
The Federal government was forced to step in. They required monitoring of all this activity so that "all employees, including piece work employees, earn at least the minimum wage."[1]
If only the people running the sweatshops in the old days thought to call their people "contractors" instead of "employees". They could have avoided most of the pesky regulation.
I'm being sarcastic. Clearly those people were employees under any reasonable definition. Same should apply here. This whole gig economy crap has gotten totally out of hand.
Fundamentally, an Instacart worker only has flexibility of when to work. The rest is more-or-less predetermined. Should that person be a contractor instead of an employee because he has his choice of the order in which to traverse the supermarket aisles? Should that person be a contractor because he has his choice of which streets to drive on from store to destination?
Re: Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
#4Back in the old days, when we actually manufactured clothing in this country, there was this concept of "piece work". You weren't paid by the hour, but instead by your work output. E.g. if you were performing some sewing step on a blouse, such as adding buttons, you might be paid $0.25 per blouse for that work step. Of course employers tried to cheat, by setting the per-piece rate very low. You had to process many pi…
It’s precisely BECAUSE the law hasn’t caught up that most of these exist the way that they do at all. Instacart, Postmates, Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, etc. all make profit on the gap between what they pay and what the regulated equivalent pays. Their big competitive advantage is just lower costs by completely ignoring the law. We talk about “innovation” but then these services mostly operate on not paying employees, insurance, benefits, licensing, etc.
If I stop paying taxes and declare my consultancy a religion does that make my innovative? I’m instantly 40% more profitable than the next guy. You can “donate” via a mobile app too! It’s not a payment, it’s a donation. Please note the donation must be as it states on the invoic... err, donation services document.
Re: Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
#5Back in the old days, when we actually manufactured clothing in this country, there was this concept of "piece work". You weren't paid by the hour, but instead by your work output. E.g. if you were performing some sewing step on a blouse, such as adding buttons, you might be paid $0.25 per blouse for that work step. Of course employers tried to cheat, by setting the per-piece rate very low. You had to process many pi…
It’s precisely BECAUSE the law hasn’t caught up that most of these exist the way that they do at all. Instacart, Postmates, Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, etc. all make profit on the gap between what they pay and what the regulated equivalent pays. Their big competitive advantage is just lower costs by completely ignoring the law. We talk about “innovation” but then these services mostly operate on not paying employees, insuran…
With respect to Uber, the user experience is far better than a taxi cab. I would pay taxi cab prices for its level of service.
Re: Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
#6I recently ordered from DoorDash, a similar service.
The app gave me a price for the order and then had a line item called “Dasher Tip” and asked me how much I wanted to put down. I put in $20.
Later when the woman arrived with the food, we stopped to talk for a minute. She was a little younger than my mom, and said she had just started working for the service after her husband died.
She asked me if she could ask me an awkward question, but I said okay. She wanted to know how much I had tipped her. $20.
She showed me her phone with the app on our order. DoorDash told her we had tipped her $6, which she thought was suspiciously low (we ordered $90 in food).
TL;DR: DoorDash presented me with an optional field called “Dasher Tip”, which I wasn’t sure of but assumed this was the Tip for the woman bringing us the food. I paid $20 for this “tip” but only $6 made it to the woman (whose husband had died). Incidentally I offered her a cash tip but she refused - she said I had already paid it and it should come from DoorDash.
Last night my friends wanted to order food again. I called it in to the restaurant and we picked it up. I don’t want to use DoorDash anymore.
Re: Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
#7I recently ordered from DoorDash, a similar service. The app gave me a price for the order and then had a line item called “Dasher Tip” and asked me how much I wanted to put down. I put in $20. Later when the woman arrived with the food, we stopped to talk for a minute. She was a little younger than my mom, and said she had just started working for the service after her husband died. She asked me if she could ask me…
The psychopaths are running the show now. I don't use any of these nonsense delivery apps.
Re: Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
#8Back in the old days, when we actually manufactured clothing in this country, there was this concept of "piece work". You weren't paid by the hour, but instead by your work output. E.g. if you were performing some sewing step on a blouse, such as adding buttons, you might be paid $0.25 per blouse for that work step. Of course employers tried to cheat, by setting the per-piece rate very low. You had to process many pi…
It’s precisely BECAUSE the law hasn’t caught up that most of these exist the way that they do at all. Instacart, Postmates, Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, etc. all make profit on the gap between what they pay and what the regulated equivalent pays. Their big competitive advantage is just lower costs by completely ignoring the law. We talk about “innovation” but then these services mostly operate on not paying employees, insuran…
> Their big competitive advantage is just lower costs by completely ignoring the law
This is disingenuous. Uber started out with Uber Black, which was attractive because of its customer service. UberX was only launched in response to Lyft. Airbnb skirted some necessary hotel laws, and many unnecessary ones. Agree on Postmates and other delivery services.
Re: Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
#9I recently ordered from DoorDash, a similar service. The app gave me a price for the order and then had a line item called “Dasher Tip” and asked me how much I wanted to put down. I put in $20. Later when the woman arrived with the food, we stopped to talk for a minute. She was a little younger than my mom, and said she had just started working for the service after her husband died. She asked me if she could ask me…
May I ask which state you reside in?
Re: Some Instacart workers to strike over pay that can be as low as $1 per hour
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s precisely BECAUSE the law hasn’t caught up that most of these exist the way that they do at all. Instacart, Postmates, Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, etc. all make profit on the gap between what they pay and what the regulated equivalent pays. Their big competitive advantage is just lower costs by completely ignoring the law. We talk about “innovation” but then these services mostly operate on not paying employees, insuran…
> Their big competitive advantage is just lower costs by completely ignoring the law This is disingenuous. Uber started out with Uber Black, which was attractive because of its customer service. UberX was only launched in response to Lyft. Airbnb skirted some necessary hotel laws, and many unnecessary ones. Agree on Postmates and other delivery services.
All of them ignored the law. If Uber was just Uber Black you might have a point.