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Slaughterbots: Stop Autonomous Weapons [video]

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Re: Slaughterbots: Stop Autonomous Weapons [video]

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I find it Strange that nobody generally comments on this including all the previous postings.. is it because people think it is inevitable and there is nothing they can do to stop it? or is it because people think it is fantasy and could never happen?

why stop it? even at this early stage it seems to work really well - in a hall full of people it correctly identified its target (until of course presenter cheated). Also compare to a rifle bullet, this thing is much easier to shoot down. It also fits the progress we've been making - we removed civilians from the battlefield or at least we made it a war crime, and now we need to remove soldiers from it too (especiall…

> we removed civilians from the battlefield or at least we made it a war crime

In the Middle East, the US likes to blow up buildings that they think might have terrorists in them with a drone-launched missile, then have the drone circle back and hit the rubble with another missile a few minutes later to kill any neighbors or EMTs coming to help the victims.

> Let drones fight each other.

Are you imagining a sci-fi future where nations politely agree to decide their disagreements with bloodless robot duels? Wars are won by destroying the enemy's will to fight, not by gentlemen's agreements.

You seem to think that war can be made safe and civilized somehow. It reminds me of the 1897 New York Times writer who thought that machine guns would lead to peace on earth because leaders would hesitate to send their soldiers against such deadly weapons.

Re: Slaughterbots: Stop Autonomous Weapons [video]

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There has never been a weapon humanity imagined, designed, and built that it has not used. What about the neutron bomb? But overall, yes, I agree, a rifle hanging on the wall will eventually go off.

Matter of time.

This is a temporal version of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Re: Slaughterbots: Stop Autonomous Weapons [video]

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Terrifying and fascinating, as all good wake-up calls should be.

In the future, miniature exploding drones could indeed autonomously, distinguish between cranium and body, plot a flight route and divebomb at their victim.

But, I don't think these skull-crackers will be fully autonomous, even with significant advances and development. Given the chance of collateral damage and the "fuzziness" of algorithms, the kill command or sequence will be still left to a human operator, like how America does so in the skies of Pakistan or with the machine-gun robots of the Middle-East[1].

In my mind, the the computer would display potential targets via live capture, and the human in the chair would cycle through them, and after filtering out the mistakes (a human dummy, a picture on the wall), type "y".

Militaries would have this check less out of "consider the ethics and morality!" and more out of rational avoid-friendly-fire and ensure-maximum accuracy-of-the-payload.

One exception to this approach could be indiscriminate killing; where the designers intentionally program the drones to lobotomize any target within a geographic range or a time, as long as that target exceeds a certain threshold. This approach is guaranteed to result in a lot of false positives, but would still be remarkably efficient for the purpose of terror or localized warfare. [2]

On a side note, YouTube recommended a follow up video, depicting a real-life swarm, howling and circling around a target. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLP0pAGbE0

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster-Miller_TALON

[2]: Even remote controlled drones strikes are pretty iffy on who they kill, so it's not like unlikely that less savory actors won't mind blanketing swaths of countries with skull-crackers. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/world/asia/drone-strikes-...

Re: Slaughterbots: Stop Autonomous Weapons [video]

#15
post #7

I find it Strange that nobody generally comments on this including all the previous postings.. is it because people think it is inevitable and there is nothing they can do to stop it? or is it because people think it is fantasy and could never happen?

Another option is that some of us really look forward to real-life sentry gun turrets; we actually want this future.

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Re: Slaughterbots: Stop Autonomous Weapons [video]

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Terrifying and fascinating, as all good wake-up calls should be. In the future, miniature exploding drones could indeed autonomously, distinguish between cranium and body, plot a flight route and divebomb at their victim. But, I don't think these skull-crackers will be fully autonomous, even with significant advances and development. Given the chance of collateral damage and the "fuzziness" of algorithms, the kill co…

I think with modern advances in facial recognition technologies, a human participant wont be necessary. Have you seen how accurate these models are nowadays? Many big tech companies have already released tools that make it possible for just about anyone who can write code to implement sophisticated CNN models for facial recognition. These technologies are more accessible currently than they've ever been.

Re: Slaughterbots: Stop Autonomous Weapons [video]

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It's like WWI all over again. In WWI, people went happily off to war thinking it's going to be nice and heroic and adventurous like the good old days and they all get slaughtered in a pathetic pointless way in a blink of an eye by newly developed automated war machinery.

The first AI War is going to be a really brutal wakeup call. The part in sci-fi where anyone actually has to aim to kill an enemy was a big romantic lie. The robots don't miss and they draw and shoot before the humans even know they're there. William Gibson, to his credit, did anticipate this with the Slamhound assassin robots in Count Zero.

Re: Slaughterbots: Stop Autonomous Weapons [video]

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why stop it? even at this early stage it seems to work really well - in a hall full of people it correctly identified its target (until of course presenter cheated). Also compare to a rifle bullet, this thing is much easier to shoot down. It also fits the progress we've been making - we removed civilians from the battlefield or at least we made it a war crime, and now we need to remove soldiers from it too (especiall…

> we removed civilians from the battlefield or at least we made it a war crime In the Middle East, the US likes to blow up buildings that they think might have terrorists in them with a drone-launched missile, then have the drone circle back and hit the rubble with another missile a few minutes later to kill any neighbors or EMTs coming to help the victims. > Let drones fight each other. Are you imagining a sci-fi fu…

>Are you imagining a sci-fi future where nations politely agree to decide their disagreements with bloodless robot duels? Wars are won by destroying the enemy's will to fight, not by gentlemen's agreements.

Where is no "politely agree" nor "gentlemen's agreements" in international relationships, only sheer power. MAD is an example of power forcing to not fight a war at all. Falkland war was fought without bombing Buenos Aires or any other action outside of immediate war zone. Ukraine/Russia war in Donbass was limited to that area because of possible repercussions to either side for letting it spill out (and for the same reason both sides in general, with some exceptions, didn't indiscriminantly target civilians). US and other developed countries limit sending its soldiers in harms ways and hitting enemy civilians because of internal and external political repercussions. So it is always a power calculation, and as a result in this more and more interconnected and densely populated world we have 2 tendencies - restricting conflicts to specific localities and minimizing human involvement. Those 2 tendencies ultimately lead to drone wars confined to specific areas (preferably in space or in cyberspace - notice how much of adversarial activity happens more and more in cyberspace, yet nobody is going for real life action over it). Attempt to bomb each other's cities will be (and pretty much is already today) unthinkable like in case of Falkland war. Of course, when there is no containing power in sight, we immediately have what Saudis do in Yemen right now - it isn't even a war, it is just pure genocide.

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