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Re: Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day

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Post by arethuza »

anamax wrote: post #66
ugh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Europe can be quite proud of is how not only war was avoided during the last decades but also that war was made less likely over the decades. Suggesting that there could be war between Germany and France would be crazy today but certainly wasn’t always. That’s not just some flimsy anti-war sentiment which can change as new generations take over, that actually has something to do with lasting change initiated by…

> What Europe can be quite proud of is how not only war was avoided during the last decades but also that war was made less likely over the decades. Umm, the credit goes to US occupation of Germany and tension with the USSR. Europe has yet to handle a reasonable problem on its own.

Napoleon? :-)

Re: Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day

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Post by elblanco »

ido wrote: post #28
nostrademons wrote: post #17

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Much of the Northeast has this flavor. I dunno if you've ever been to the Boston area, but many of the buildings have this same sense of history to them. In the leather district, you've got former tanning factories which became porn studios which became software offices and yuppie lofts. In Maynard, you have old textile mills from the industrial revolution, which became DEC in the 50s and 60s, which became Monster.co…

Philadelphia & Boston are probably the most "old-world" looking major cities in the US. Montreal in Canada is also worth taking a look at.

The southern part of Manhattan Island (below all the streets with numbers, like Wall Street) still has a very "old-world" street layout, and if you imagine shorter buildings down there, it's definitely laid-out pre-car. I'm smitten by how twisty and close-in everything is when I get down to that part of the city. Probably due to that, it's also a bit more walkable in certain ways than the rest of the island.

Some of the old Spanish settlements in the South, and especially the old part of San Juan Puerto Rico are very old world feeling.

Re: Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day

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Post by xyzzyb »

konve wrote: post #47
pvg wrote: post #8

http://sergey-larenkov.livejournal.com/ Original source, also lists the locations. There are also places in a number of these cities where limited amounts of the ww2 damage are left un-repaired, as a memorial and a live version of these composites.

Thank you. This one just... froze me. http://pics.livejournal.com/sergey_larenkov/pic/000029eg/

I find this one to be most unsettling: http://pics.livejournal.com/sergey_larenkov/pic/0002922z/

Re: Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day

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Post by ugh »

anamax wrote: post #66
ugh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Europe can be quite proud of is how not only war was avoided during the last decades but also that war was made less likely over the decades. Suggesting that there could be war between Germany and France would be crazy today but certainly wasn’t always. That’s not just some flimsy anti-war sentiment which can change as new generations take over, that actually has something to do with lasting change initiated by…

> What Europe can be quite proud of is how not only war was avoided during the last decades but also that war was made less likely over the decades. Umm, the credit goes to US occupation of Germany and tension with the USSR. Europe has yet to handle a reasonable problem on its own.

The cold war is certainly a factor, as is the quick economic recovery of (West) Germany. I have rather big doubts, though, that US occupation caused West Germany (and France) to become a champion of European integration.

I also don’t think that Europe has yet to handle a serious problem. The fall of the Soviet Union is kind of the biggie here. And, sure, the cold war played a large role during the recovery of western Europe after WWII, but, looking back at the disastrous recovery of Europe after WWI and comparing it to the stellar recovery after WWII tells me that this is also quite a big problem which Europe sort of solved. With help, but help can only get you so far.

Re: Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day

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Post by pchristensen »

elblanco wrote: post #72
ido wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Philadelphia & Boston are probably the most "old-world" looking major cities in the US. Montreal in Canada is also worth taking a look at.

The southern part of Manhattan Island (below all the streets with numbers, like Wall Street) still has a very "old-world" street layout, and if you imagine shorter buildings down there, it's definitely laid-out pre-car. I'm smitten by how twisty and close-in everything is when I get down to that part of the city. Probably due to that, it's also a bit more walkable in certain ways than the rest of the island. Some of…

The numbered street grid in Manhattan was laid out at the beginning of the 19th century. The reason there are so many streets and so few avenues was to facilitate river-to-river movement of freight. The reason for the standardized grid was to make land development more predictable (it's also called the speculative grid for that reason).

Re: Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day

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Post by kragen »

jacquesm wrote: post #32
nostrademons wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much of the Northeast has this flavor. I dunno if you've ever been to the Boston area, but many of the buildings have this same sense of history to them. In the leather district, you've got former tanning factories which became porn studios which became software offices and yuppie lofts. In Maynard, you have old textile mills from the industrial revolution, which became DEC in the 50s and 60s, which became Monster.co…

'Old' in Europe is more like this: http://pics.ww.com/v/jacques/buildings/dscf1025.jpg.html or this: http://pics.ww.com/v/jacques/buildings/dscf1021.jpg.html The oldest parts of this building date from the 12th century: http://www.engelmunduskerkvelsenzuid.nl/images/foto_kerk_2.j... I've actually had an office in the 'carpet factory' in Toronto, which was an industrial revolution age textile mill, amazing building, w…

Boston doesn't have anything old. "Old" in the US is more like this:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Acoma_Pueblo

although there are ruins that are much older:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Chaco_Canyon

In other parts of the continent, there are much older continuously inhabited cities.

Re: Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day

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Post by anamax »

ugh wrote: post #74
anamax wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What Europe can be quite proud of is how not only war was avoided during the last decades but also that war was made less likely over the decades. Umm, the credit goes to US occupation of Germany and tension with the USSR. Europe has yet to handle a reasonable problem on its own.

The cold war is certainly a factor, as is the quick economic recovery of (West) Germany. I have rather big doubts, though, that US occupation caused West Germany (and France) to become a champion of European integration. I also don’t think that Europe has yet to handle a serious problem. The fall of the Soviet Union is kind of the biggie here. And, sure, the cold war played a large role during the recovery of western…

> I have rather big doubts, though, that US occupation caused West Germany (and France) to become a champion of European integration.

US occupation made war involving Germany unthinkable.

The US did, at various times, encourage European integration.

Re: Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day

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Post by anamax »

arethuza wrote: post #71
anamax wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What Europe can be quite proud of is how not only war was avoided during the last decades but also that war was made less likely over the decades. Umm, the credit goes to US occupation of Germany and tension with the USSR. Europe has yet to handle a reasonable problem on its own.

Napoleon? :-)

Yes, Europe did solve Napoleon on its own. I should have qualified my statement.

Re: Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day

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Post by euccastro »

ugh wrote: post #62
helveticaman wrote: post #59

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Well, yeah, money's on the line.

Money’s on the line and that’s just the reason why the EU won’t suddenly disappear. One of the nice things about a common market (even if it is only partially reality) is that it leads to economic interdependence. Companies can invest wherever they want, companies can sell stuff to wherever they want, people can work wherever they want. There is money to be made and the economic shock waves of making that impossible…

Except the casino part of the economy has vastly outsized the productive part. More money changes hands in a day in currency speculation markets alone than does in the productive economy in a year. Thus, what favors the short term gains of a few wealthy gamblers can take precedence over what benefits the people at large.
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