Hey, how do you call a guy who takes people money for future orders without delivering on the ones already taken?
Tesla Roadster
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Re: Tesla Roadster
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> struggling to produce their most important car ever Isn't this part of not executing the roadmap as planned? Put another way, how do you know if they are on the right trajectory to profitability? How much are they ahead/behind?
Tesla projected that it would produce 5K Model 3s per week by the end of 2017. In all of Q3 they produced 260! That kind of shortfall is clearly not part of any plan, unless it's one drawn up by GM and Ford. Source: http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/tesla-model-3-product...
GM and Ford would be good at drawing up plans like that since its fairly common for production to be delayed on new car designs
http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-may-be-facing-f-150-delays-...
https://jalopnik.com/chevy-bolt-ordering-delayed-by-three-mo...
Re: Tesla Roadster
#624200K is actually good value, seeing as gas supercars that are near it in terms of performance (except slower) often cost over $1M. EDIT: Tesla probably should fix their homepage going to a what appears to be the live stream page. I'd have to imagine they are losing valuable pageviews and sales. Tesla.com should be redirecting to either the Semi or Roadster landing pages. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/L9oN5
I dunno. check the value of previous model of tesla roadsters and if their owners want to keep them
Yes, we should totally judge the next gen Roadster based on the first gen one. Ignore the advancements in battery tech and other lessons Tesla has learned in the nearly 10 years since the first Roadster.
Re: Tesla Roadster
#625The Tesla roadster specs are insane! No exotic carmaker will be able to match it (taking price as a consideration). (no Ferrari, or Lambo, can get that close. This is Formula 1 acceleration speeds). Plus 620 miles of range, and it is a 4 seater. Expensive as hell, but this is exotic car territory. Base Specs Acceleration 0-60 mph1.9 sec Acceleration 0-100 mph4.2 sec Acceleration 1/4 mile8.8 sec Top SpeedOver 250 mph…
No exotic maker will match it with internal combustion.
Mclaren, Porsche, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, BMW M division are all in the process of producing electric sports cars. I don't think Tesla is holding any technology that makes other makers with a lot more racing experience unable to match their performance.
Re: Tesla Roadster
#626Earlier quoted context omitted.
Downforce is more than the wing. You see those giant diffusers in the back? Those work as venturi tunnels, creating a sucking force, sticking the car down. As a matter of fact, F1 cars in the 70s-80s were using venturi tunnels that extended the entire length of the vehicle. This is impractical in a modern gasoline-powered car. Theu were even getting so good with their aerodynamics that they were rumoured to be genera…
And the Roadster doesn't have real side skirts to seal up the tunnel, which significantly degrades any diffuser downforce.
Just pretend, the same way they do with the claims about the GTR's ~0-degree wing, and most all aero claims on street-legal cars.
Aero at street legal speeds is basically worthless and range-destroying. Many supercars don't have more aero than the Roadster, just go look at them, they usually either have no wing, like the Lambo Huracan, or a wing with virtually no angle of attack.
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Elon Musk has a decade of track record. Model 3 will eventually be delivered. My point of contention with TSLA is that the stock price does not match the up-side, but sooner or later Tesla always delivered. They will learn and deliver, I have seen reviews of Model 3, the average delivered vehicle will cost around 50K no doubt, but its worth every penny of it. Model 3 is not every man's car, but again a used Model 3 c…
I would say vision is comparable to Jobs, but execution— not yet. The problem is a lack of focus and a lot of distraction with big public announcements before actually figuring out how to ship. Jobs (and Cook’s) advantage over Musk in the Tesla context is that they considered the supply chain as vital as the flash and sparkle. Supply chain isn’t sexy but it’s essential. Tesla’s supply chain is fragile to say the leas…
> vision is comparable to Jobs, but execution — not yet
Dunno, Jobs failed at execution more than once. Look at the Lisa for example. The Roadster could be the NeXT cube of the EV world?
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$250mil sounds a lot - until you remember they currently burn through $400mil of cash in a month
They also just laid off a ton of people, so maybe that burn rate is going to lower quite a bit.
$400M a month would be equivalent to ~20k full time engineer's total compensation, so I doubt layoffs will put a serious dent in it.
Re: Tesla Roadster
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This isn’t CGI :-) https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidHodge/status/931391188065705...
God damn....that acceleration is almost cartoon-like. I'm kinda sad about the $200k price tag. I was planning on budgeting $125k for my next car in 2022. Obviously options have yet to be announced, but I'd really like to see a 100 kwh option for a cheaper price. That would give about a 300 mile range which would be plenty for me. Considering they announced 200 kwh as the base though, I'm not exactly holding my breath…
I think that the 200kwh battery pack is probably important for getting the instantaneous power out of the pack to hit their performance numbers.
More battery cells in parallel = more current draw. The range is probably more of a bonus side effect of having enough battery cells to hit the power and acceleration targets.
Re: Tesla Roadster
#630Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you look at Teslas, they have a grill in the front that sends air to a radiator that's shared by the battery cooling system and the cabin air conditioning. For S and X and 3, it's not beefy enough to handle an extended period of time. Also, the engine has to radiate heat. So, you're boldly predicting that Tesla, which understands basic physics well enough that their existing cars accelerate well and don't burst in…
So, you're boldly predicting that Tesla is going to overdesign their cooling system to meet the unrealistic demand of unlimited-duration maximum power draw (in a supercar!). I'm not saying either of you are wrong. I'm saying either of you know equally little about the engineers' decisions, and are making equally unreasonable demands.
No, I'm not predicting that, boldly or not.