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Re: Tesla Roadster

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Post by rkangel »

audunw wrote: post #252
kirse wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gas will always have sound. The growl of an Aston Martin V12 on startup, or a Lexus LFA screaming through a tunnel, or the flat-plane V8 burble from a Mustang GT350. EM cars only have a dull whine the faster they go. Motorheads are secretly all musicians who happen to love driving. The best combination is ultimately both though, hybrid systems are already used quite frequently in everything from LMP1 WEC racers to mo…

The thing is that sound is associated with speed because a bigger/stronger engine is usually louder. Electrics will break that association. Or it will create a new expectation about what a fast car sounds like. Because from now on, they will always be faster than ICE vehicles. I think there will be a niche of people buying ICE cars for their loud sound, just as there are people who buy the loudest possible motorcycle…

The sound is satisfying for reasons that are entirely separate with its association.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

convery wrote: post #287

I'm curious about the claim that it fits 4. Because my friend has a late 90's firebird that while having 4 seats, it's clearly made for children / teens. So any information if the backseats in this model is made for adults?

He was relatively clear that it will be 2+2 rather than four full size seats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%2B2_(car_body_style)

So, it'll be cramped back there for larger adults.

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Post by zerostar07 »

ccozan wrote: post #328

All nice and good. We see the EV revolution in front of our eyes. But nobody speaks about the EV infrastructure.

At least for the roadster, it doesnt seem to matter that much. The people who will buy this will do it for the flashy logo and the ridiculous (And dangerous) speed of course.

Re: Tesla Roadster

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Post by Natanael_L »

thinkloop wrote: post #261
Neil44 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paper stats are one thing but show me this beating even something like a GT3 in an actual circuit race, or posting a Nurburgring time worthy of the price tag. I’m sure in another 5 or 10 years they’ll get there but these figures are for headlines not the track.

Are you saying that the numbers aren't true, or that it has other weaknesses that would cause it to lose a race?

Overheating. Like previous models, it likely can't cool down the engines and batteries fast enough to sustain that power output.

Re: Tesla Roadster

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Post by maxymoos »

sjwright wrote: post #324
macns wrote: post #305

I'd like to see this kind of battery tech on a lowest-end, lowest-cost mass production car with a 2-3k mile range on a single overnight charge. For my usage in the city, this would mean I'd charge every other week. How far are we from such a feat I wonder, and, can't help but speculate as to why we're not.

Because nobody wants a car that doesn't have enough range to drive to the nearest hospital?

2-3k miles. Not 2-3 miles.

Re: Tesla Roadster

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Post by oblio »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #325
the_rosentotter wrote: post #294

There has got to be an astroturfing campaign going on here, or the HN crowd is a lot more naive than I thought. Seriously, no one is concerned that Tesla is announcing, not one, but two new products, while they are failing to deliver on all three they are currently producing (in terms of production ramp-up)? What matters more than anything to Tesla is production at scale, but they are busy promising ever more fantast…

Hitting production targets isn't enough to keep wall street happy with Tesla though, to keep raising money and servicing the debt that they have, he needs to keep creating value inflection points to stoke the hype and keep the money coming in. I agree that the main concern should be delivering cars but production delays are solvable while he is still raising money. As soon as he takes his foot off the pedal then thei…

I like what Tesla & co. are doing, I think Musk is very good at hyping things up and mostly pointing us in a good direction development wise, but I'm not a fanboy. Especially considering what I've read about Musk's personal life and his attitude to employees.

Even so, if Uber can have several billion dollars pumped into it, surely Tesla is more deserving of investments on the same scale.

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Post by sremani »

the_rosentotter wrote: post #294

There has got to be an astroturfing campaign going on here, or the HN crowd is a lot more naive than I thought. Seriously, no one is concerned that Tesla is announcing, not one, but two new products, while they are failing to deliver on all three they are currently producing (in terms of production ramp-up)? What matters more than anything to Tesla is production at scale, but they are busy promising ever more fantast…

Elon Musk has a decade of track record. Model 3 will eventually be delivered. My point of contention with TSLA is that the stock price does not match the up-side, but sooner or later Tesla always delivered. They will learn and deliver, I have seen reviews of Model 3, the average delivered vehicle will cost around 50K no doubt, but its worth every penny of it. Model 3 is not every man's car, but again a used Model 3 can be.

I am really impressed by Elon, even if fails spectacularly he has set things in motion his impact will be there in the fields he touched. In my opinion, he is better than Steve Jobs both in vision and execution.

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Post by JohnGB »

jesusthatsgreat wrote: post #335

Why is it that concept car designers insist on not adding wing mirrors or else tiny little stalks that are significantly smaller than production wing mirrors? Every damn time...

In this case, it's probably due to aerodynamic considerations.

Re: Tesla Roadster

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Post by kamaal »

the_rosentotter wrote: post #294

There has got to be an astroturfing campaign going on here, or the HN crowd is a lot more naive than I thought. Seriously, no one is concerned that Tesla is announcing, not one, but two new products, while they are failing to deliver on all three they are currently producing (in terms of production ramp-up)? What matters more than anything to Tesla is production at scale, but they are busy promising ever more fantast…

I guess that is the genius of Elon Musk.

He has already failed once, was bankrupt and almost broke. And struggled to make rents and has climbed out of it.

Failure doesn't mean much for people like this, they win a lot of things along the way even if they fail.

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