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Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

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Re: Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

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Sears Canada had a similar approach... millions to a bunch of sr. execs and complete default on pensions to the workers. "We need this to save the company" was their cry. We need those sr. executives to get us out of this situation that they've been in charge of for years. Oh, Sears Canada is now out of business and the workers got nothing... but don't worry the executives that the company was so worried about receiv…

What exactly did you expect to happen, pensions to workers?

Re: Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

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I understand that it's hard to read these headlines, but if Toys 'R' Us wants to retain key qualified executives during these delicate times, they must do that and even greater bonuses than a company where an executive also has equity as an incentive.

I'm trying to keep an open mind. Can you please elaborate on these key qualifications and these delicate times?

Currently, my take away is a sizable risk-free bonus for holding the company's hand to imminent bankruptcy.

Re: Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

#23

I understand that it's hard to read these headlines, but if Toys 'R' Us wants to retain key qualified executives during these delicate times, they must do that and even greater bonuses than a company where an executive also has equity as an incentive.

Why pay the bonus now, then? Pay it when they deliver results.

Re: Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically, "we need to make sure they are incentivized to perform". "I won't do my job well without a few extra million dollars." And this, "it is the employees - and more particularly the senior management team - that must execute at this critical juncture" ... "Screw you, people actually working the stores, you'll be lucky if we have a pension fund at the end of this. You need to be executing. Bonus? Haven't you he…

Yea I mean it sucks to be a commodity worker vs an executive with experience, connections and ability to join any other company with way less risk and pressure. You pay them the bank because if they screw up if proliferates all the way down and they lose even more.

And if they screw up, they still get bank.

That’s what pisses people off.

Re: Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

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I understand that it's hard to read these headlines, but if Toys 'R' Us wants to retain key qualified executives during these delicate times, they must do that and even greater bonuses than a company where an executive also has equity as an incentive.

Qualified at running a company into bankruptcy?

Re: Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

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post #4

Sears Canada had a similar approach... millions to a bunch of sr. execs and complete default on pensions to the workers. "We need this to save the company" was their cry. We need those sr. executives to get us out of this situation that they've been in charge of for years. Oh, Sears Canada is now out of business and the workers got nothing... but don't worry the executives that the company was so worried about receiv…

That's a terrible situation, but this is exactly why people should want their retirement savings to be kept in an account with their own name on it. When the music stops for a pension, your chair is up for grabs. When the music stops for a 401k, nobody can grab your chair.

Not entirely true: companies are more than happy to make extremely complicated vesting strategies for their contributions to a 401k just to make sure they can grab back as much as possible just by firing you. The lower and middle class get golden handcuffs. I've known far too many people who've worked miserable jobs far beyond what they should have just to make sure that more of their 401k vests.

Re: Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't know the backstory, which is that Toys R Us is a bust-out private equity ploy, where KKR acquired them and larded them with debt, which pushed them into bankruptcy when they would have very likely been solvent otherwise. Toys R Us Downfall Due to Debt, Not Competition http://fortune.com/2017/09/20/toys-r-us-bankruptc-debt-lever...

Perhaps it was the only way the company was able to get sold? If anything, blame the old shareholders for selling to an LBO player.

Why did the company need to be sold at all? Why is a steady state of respectable profits/meeting consumer needs seen as "losing" in "modern" capitalism simply because it isn't exciting drama to shareholders?

Re: Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it was the only way the company was able to get sold? If anything, blame the old shareholders for selling to an LBO player.

Why did the company need to be sold at all? Why is a steady state of respectable profits/meeting consumer needs seen as "losing" in "modern" capitalism simply because it isn't exciting drama to shareholders?

Maybe because the current owners were done with it, and were no longer interested in running it -- thus wanting to sell?

Companies are owned by people, you know? They might not want to pass down (large) companies for 10+ generations, due to different interests and passions.

Re: Bankrupt Toys “R” Us wants to pay $16M in executive bonuses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it was the only way the company was able to get sold? If anything, blame the old shareholders for selling to an LBO player.

Why did the company need to be sold at all? Why is a steady state of respectable profits/meeting consumer needs seen as "losing" in "modern" capitalism simply because it isn't exciting drama to shareholders?

Because "growth" is now looking into our belly button and picking around for a little bit of fuzz we haven't seen before.

Economics isn't about enabling the creation of new ideas. It's about controlling the movement of capital for the benefit of capitalists. All the inputs lead to the financial system. All the outputs lead to their account numbers.

Fortunately for them, the rubes are convinced that is how things get made.

Not, you know, with their own two hands and minds, as is the reality.

But I'm curious why we need to prop up such things forever anyway. Corporations used to have an expiration date. Term limits for private power.

Do we need factories churning out plastic crap for decades, to make kids giggle, only for us to tell them "Grow up and get a job?"

The epitome of disposable nonsense. Humanity must record and elate itself at each and every one of its own farts for the rest of time.

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