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Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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Also, I highly doubt anyone has done a study on what tiny amounts of lithium ingested regularly would do to your kidneys. There is a reason your doctor wants you to get semi-regular kidney function tests if you're on lithium.

I would expect someone has done a study. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=renal+lithium+therapy

These seem to be for normal doses, not tiny ones as the article suggests

Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

#52
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Seems more like professional-grade trolling than a serious suggestion. Still, on the offchance they do start doing it, I'll be first in line for rainwater tanks, so I can protect the purity of my precious bodily fluids.

Bioethics attracts all the weirdos who want to propose really off the wall crazy crap, like drugging the water supply, and call it "ethics". Let's take a look at the Table of Contents of the Journal of Bioethics shall we ( http://www.bioethics.net/journal/ ) * Should Human Beings Have Sex? Sexual Dimorphism and Human Enhancement * The Risks of “Sexual Normalcy” * Humans Should Be Free of All Biological Limitations In…

Abstract of "Should Human Beings Have Sex?"

Abstract/Extract Since the first sex reassignment operations were performed, individual sex has come to be, to some extent at least, a technological artifact. The existence of sperm sorting technology, and of prenatal determination of fetal sex via ultrasound along with the option of termination, means that we now have the power to choose the sex of our children. An influential contemporary line of thought about medical ethics suggests that we should use technology to serve the welfare of individuals and to remove limitations on the opportunities available to them. I argue that, if these are our goals, we may do well to move towards a “post sex” humanity. Until we have the technology to produce genuine hermaphrodites, the most efficient way to do this is to use sex selection technology to ensure that only girl children are born. There are significant restrictions on the opportunities available to men, around gestation, childbirth, and breast-feeding, which will be extremely difficult to overcome via social or technological mechanisms for the foreseeable future. Women also have longer life expectancies than men. Girl babies therefore have a significantly more “open” future than boy babies. Resisting the conclusion that we should ensure that all children are born the same sex will require insisting that sexual difference is natural to human beings and that we should not use technology to reshape humanity beyond certain natural limits. The real concern of my paper, then, is the moral significance of the idea of a normal human body in modern medicine.

Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

#53
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Dental caries can be prevented by flossing your teeth, then spitting (most of) the fluoride out. Or even better, by avoiding sugar and eating calcium rich vegetables.

Certainly, but that doesn't change the point that saying it's about "cutting down on a few bucks" is overly downplaying the potential benefit.

TFA doesn't even mention death by caries, only the savings. If avoiding those deaths was the reason, I guess lithium would have been used before fluoride. I don't know the stats, but I know of several people that committed suicide in my area and never heard of a single death by caries.

Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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post #17

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Naive, yes.

Well, you can't avoid all drugs, but you would agree that it would reduce the ones you can actively avoid. Right? Naive or not, I think an active healthy lifestyle is something that we should all strive for. Work and hope for the best.

We should all strive for it, but the reality is that most people who don't have an 'active healthy lifestyle' arrived at that condition before they were adults. People who learn unhealthy habits in their childhood or adolescence have a tremendously hard time breaking those habits or even recognizing that they are unhealthy.

I speak as someone who, despite my parents best intentions, was not raised to approach life in a 'healthy active' manner, and have only arrived at that point after leaving my parents' well-meaning clutches.

So, the people who this would most help are generally not that way by choice or even responsibility, so to talk of their right to not drink lithium water seems off the mark. I'd love to give people the right not to have incapable parents, because that would do a whole lot more for this cause than anything else.

Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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More like Equilibrium, given the effects of lithium. Of course, we are talking about really small doses. It does beg the question though. If small doses are effective, why do people only get prescribed massively higher doses?

I think the gp was referencing the movie "Serenity". Good movie :)

yea i was, both title and storyline. :)
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