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Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

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Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#31

I made an open source version of this. https://github.com/scott113341/southwest-price-drop-bot

Nice work, it even has a deploy to Heroku button!

Honestly, I think it's pretty lame trying to profit from arbitrage on SW prices like that. $3 per alert? Really?

Great job making an OSS implementation.

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#32
post #13

So, the Southwest TOS state that you can't scrape or programmatically access their data. Isn't that the end of the argument unless they find a way to manually access it for customers?

I would think so. That's why you don't see SW in Google flights or any other program. SW wants you to only get it from their website. I'd imagine if there was more to the discussion Google would fight it.

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#33
The landing page (https://www.swmonkey.com/) still has the workd "Southwest" used several times, and the picture of what is obviously a Southwest plane. I wish common sense prevails and this (obviously very useful) service doesn't die because the founder can't control his ego.

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#35

Given they're charging for this service, maybe there's a way to make it work economically by having low cost workers (e.g. Mechanical Turk or even a bank of workers in certain countries) perform the checks manually (you could even create a browser extension that automates the form filling, but leaves a human to push the button and parse the results). At least by offering it as a paid service, they have some sums they…

Set it up so the user's browser scrapes it when a button is pressed, and send a reminder every X days as chosen by the user....

User comes to your site, clicks a button, and Southwest's page loads in an iframe, where js does the lifting.

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#36

Maybe you can crowdsource pricing info. That way, you're not scraping, and users are voluntarily sharing what they've searched.

That's got a "boil the ocean" problem. It's probably easier to imagine it on a per-flight basis; how many people in a set of people who may look at a given flight are going to be swmonkey users? You have to get that number above a certain threshold before that would work, but it's hard to get that number above a certain threshold because nobody will want to use the service until you're there.

Plus, with the way airline pricing works now, just because Alice sees one price doesn't mean Bob will see it ten minutes later. The faster the prices change, the higher the percentage of people you need to have crowdsourcing.

And I've just assumed that "crowdsourcing" looks like "install a browser extension". If it involves "typing numbers into another site" you can expect a participation rate indistinguishable from 0%. I've also assumed Southwest remains oblivious to this and never takes any actions to counter what they consider an undesirable use, which is also unrealistic.

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#40

Given they're charging for this service, maybe there's a way to make it work economically by having low cost workers (e.g. Mechanical Turk or even a bank of workers in certain countries) perform the checks manually (you could even create a browser extension that automates the form filling, but leaves a human to push the button and parse the results). At least by offering it as a paid service, they have some sums they…

Set it up so the user's browser scrapes it when a button is pressed, and send a reminder every X days as chosen by the user.... User comes to your site, clicks a button, and Southwest's page loads in an iframe, where js does the lifting.

You could also after a time keep stats to determine when the prices are most likely to go down, and then only get the user's attention at those intervals.
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