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Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Post by dest »

NiklasMort wrote: post #4

meanwhile in Thinkpad land... honestly I never understand why people go for Macbooks or XPS. X/T model user since 7 generations. I did look at the XPS but there are so many disadvantages with those modern one-body-all-closed-no-mods laptops. Before you down vote me, I still applaud Dells decision to get Ubuntu Laptops out there. But I don't really see what the big game changer is whether a laptop comes preinstalled w…

> But I don't really see what the big game changer is whether a laptop comes preinstalled with Ubuntu or if I do it myself.

A laptop sold with Ubuntu means that you don't have to pay for Windows (>100€). So it's cheaper. Furthermore, you have guarantees that linux support will be better than average.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Post by quincunx »

colordrops wrote: post #37
jorgemf wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In arch that laptop works pretty well without tweaks. Don't try to use the GPU and the CPU at the same time for longer than 5 minutes or you will be very disappointed (I own the same model).

What are you referring to? Does it overheat? Battery run down?

I don't know what jorgemf is referring to but I own the same laptop. It's bad at switching between the intel and nvidia GPUs, most notably in Chrome it even causes lockups. Pretty sad they haven't resolved it yet, out of the box Chrome is now locked down to Intel on Win10.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Post by Crontab »

jmkni wrote: post #31
luka-birsa wrote: post #6

As a 20 year Linux user I really appreciate Dells support in proving the market exists. This improved support across all manufacturers. I've recently acquired a HP Envy 13 2017 laptop with Windows preinstalled. I've really wanted to try Windows out, but after installing Google Chrome and Docker (1hr after starting it up) it stopped working - windows boot up into a blank black screen. In a hurry I've downloaded Ubuntu…

Windows has gotten a lot better, but the rules regarding new computers hasn't changed in the past 30 years, you still need to wipe the hard drive and install it yourself from scratch, and then spend a little time disabling the ads, bing crap, telemetry, etc. Once you do, it's rock solid, but it should be OOTB and it annoys me that it isn't. It leaves those not familiar with Windows with a bad first impression, and th…

I liked version 7 but I believe Windows has taken a downturn since then.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Post by jenscow »

pjmlp wrote: post #16
luka-birsa wrote: post #6

As a 20 year Linux user I really appreciate Dells support in proving the market exists. This improved support across all manufacturers. I've recently acquired a HP Envy 13 2017 laptop with Windows preinstalled. I've really wanted to try Windows out, but after installing Google Chrome and Docker (1hr after starting it up) it stopped working - windows boot up into a blank black screen. In a hurry I've downloaded Ubuntu…

> If you're a developer there's no UX reason to go Windows anymore. I am a developer serving Windows customers, that rely on native UI/UX for their workflows.

I develop for Windows, but I use Linux.

I find Windows to be a hindrance (I've used it from v3.1 to 7, so it's nothing to do with unfamiliarity).

Microsoft may be trying to become developer friendly - but their OS certainly is not, and increasingly so.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Post by chupasaurus »

sandGorgon wrote: post #60
luka-birsa wrote: post #6

As a 20 year Linux user I really appreciate Dells support in proving the market exists. This improved support across all manufacturers. I've recently acquired a HP Envy 13 2017 laptop with Windows preinstalled. I've really wanted to try Windows out, but after installing Google Chrome and Docker (1hr after starting it up) it stopped working - windows boot up into a blank black screen. In a hurry I've downloaded Ubuntu…

I would also recommend Fedora 27. I have seldom seen an OS as polished as that. Holds its own versus OSX.

Big note: Fedora is a kinda beta branch of RHEL with experimental features and could have breaking changes.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Post by ficklepickle »

chx wrote: post #17
luka-birsa wrote: post #6

As a 20 year Linux user I really appreciate Dells support in proving the market exists. This improved support across all manufacturers. I've recently acquired a HP Envy 13 2017 laptop with Windows preinstalled. I've really wanted to try Windows out, but after installing Google Chrome and Docker (1hr after starting it up) it stopped working - windows boot up into a blank black screen. In a hurry I've downloaded Ubuntu…

As another 20+ (24 actually, 0.99pl15) Linux user let me counter: with the Linux subsystem for Windows there's no reason to wrestle with Linux any more. While Linux certainly works on laptops it doesn't work well. Wifi and battery life are absymal and for me seemingly every other update either breaks the printer half or the scanner half of the MFC device (and if not, then it's time for another bluetooth breakage, you…

Install tlp on Ubuntu/mint. My asus ux305 gets a solid 10 hours under light use.

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Post by pjmlp »

jenscow wrote: post #64
pjmlp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're a developer there's no UX reason to go Windows anymore. I am a developer serving Windows customers, that rely on native UI/UX for their workflows.

I develop for Windows, but I use Linux. I find Windows to be a hindrance (I've used it from v3.1 to 7, so it's nothing to do with unfamiliarity). Microsoft may be trying to become developer friendly - but their OS certainly is not, and increasingly so.

Some developers enjoy a graphical IDE worlds, keyboard shortcuts + mouse, not everyone feels likes developer == "UNIX user/CLI".

Re: Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off

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Post by pjmlp »

zdkl wrote: post #52
pjmlp wrote: post #43

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Sure it does, proper GPU acceleration, hybrid graphics support and hibernation that actually works, and UI/UX tooling resembling Xerox PARC way of computing, only beaten by macOS. Not everyone wants to replicate a PDP-11.

Honestly, tooling on windows is in the range [complicated-unusable]. Higher order abstractions and OS specific optimisations just seem to get in the way when I'm developping. I for one do not feel windows has a good story if you're developping anything you don't use VS for.

I don't feel being stuck with a PDP-11 user model is any better.

A world where GNOME and KDE developers get bashed upon, when trying to bring UI/UX into a modern world.

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