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Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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> Free speech --> Sue a magazine Free speech doesn’t mean freedom from being held to account for your speech.

That's exactly what it means; it's freedom from being held to account by at least some groups. Which ones being a matter of debate.

No, it isn't up for debate.

Free speech is only an unalienable right, in the US, from the government. Not facebook, not google, and certainly not individuals suing a private entity.

Everything else stems from the public and historical landmark court cases related to free speech- and the benches of the supreme court have staunchly defended freedom of speech from the government.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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Well, Peter Thiel is on the board of Facebook...

Surprisingly few people in the tech media seem to be aware of this. But I'm not sure I'm too mad about someone trying to take down Google a notch. My only worry is not that people are starting to believe Silicon Valley companies can do no wrong anymore, but that the government will exploit the situation to force backdoors, censorship, and other stuff like that on them. And we're already seeing that. Feinstein and oth…

Google is a conglomerate like many before. At some point people will realise that it's better to split the company up and allow individual parts to focus more. Google's individual businesses often have very little overlap. But that's not only for Google. Amazon, for example, has no reason to keep AWS in the same company as ecommerce (except to subsidise businesses). Quite the opposite, keeping them apart would bring some clients back that don't want to support Amazon (such as Walmart). I'm not sure how long it will take but I'd be very surprised if they remain connected in the longer term.

Conglomerates are usually split up when they're under pressure. Tech companies haven't seen any crisis in the past decade, when the first one comes investors will probably push harder.

Interestingly, Facebook so far remains quite focused. The companies they bought (Whatsapp, Instagram) are very similar to their core product. That means they remain extremely reliant on the success of Facebook itself but also means there's not natural way of splitting up the company.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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Yes but you can hire a lot of people with different skin color that all went to the same university, grew up in the same rich neighbourhood and will have no diversity of ideas. A group of people with one gender and color of skin from the same country (to be less US centric) will often have little diversity in their ideas. But just by making sure to have x% of non-white employees you won't necessarily reach that eithe…

You can still end up with a single way of thinking, but it’s less likely . Think of it as rolling D20s instead of D6s, where each number represents a given mode of thought.

Honestly, I'm not sure. I've worked in companies where diversity was seen as important but where people also liked hiring from the Universities they went to. You really don't get any diversity of thoughts with that. But those experiences are from the UK, maybe in the US color of skin says more about your character than the university you went to.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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That's exactly what it means; it's freedom from being held to account by at least some groups. Which ones being a matter of debate.

No, it isn't up for debate. Free speech is only an unalienable right, in the US, from the government. Not facebook, not google, and certainly not individuals suing a private entity. Everything else stems from the public and historical landmark court cases related to free speech- and the benches of the supreme court have staunchly defended freedom of speech from the government .

That's exactly what I'm saying. The writers of the Bill of Rights took the general concept of Free Speech and debated it, resulting in a concrete implementation in the form of the First Amendment.

And that debate is ongoing; for example, you can be held accountable by the government in certain cases (see "Seven dirty words").

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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Seems clear you are eluding to his endorsement and $1m contribution to the Trump campaign. We share different views - I am happy to disagree with you because I think Peter Thiel is to be commended for conducting business in line with his own philosophical & political views: this is perhaps the entire goal of business. From my perspective, he clearly sees the need for change in this world and works diligently to see t…

No, I'm pretty sure he's referring to the whole Gawker vs. Hulk Hogan trial thing, which was one of the biggest attacks on freedom of the press in recent history. Whether you believe Gawker deserved it or not, he used Terry Bollea (Hogan) as a prop to push his own agenda.

If publishing revenge porn is the essence of freedom of press, the press should be destroyed ASAP.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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I think we've seen Thiel do this before, indirectly fund opposition to organizations he doesn't like when he can't attack them directly. He's also funded lots of politicians that work quite hard to restrict rights at every level of government, including, frankly, that are rather adamantly against equal rights for gay people. He's a great representation that some people will align themselves with anyone to further the…

> the "dangers" of multiculturalism, gender and ethnic diversity I don't know if "dangers" is your word or his, but it's been shown (a priori and a posteriori) that multiculturalism and ethnic diversity erodes trust and causes social strive. This is opposed to cultural pluralism, where a dominant culture exists and tolerates additional values that don't erode or threaten the dominant culture. The reason I comment is…

Whatever the "danger" must be rather small, if you consider the success of multicultural U.S.A.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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> the "dangers" of multiculturalism, gender and ethnic diversity I don't know if "dangers" is your word or his, but it's been shown (a priori and a posteriori) that multiculturalism and ethnic diversity erodes trust and causes social strive. This is opposed to cultural pluralism, where a dominant culture exists and tolerates additional values that don't erode or threaten the dominant culture. The reason I comment is…

The absolute irony of a post on an account whose handle is "facts are sacred" that just declares that "multiculturalism and ethnic diversity erodes trust and causes social strive" without providing any form of justification, proof, actual study about the subject, without thinking about the pre-existing bias that might exist in society to make that all of that difficult on a daily basis. Weak sauce.

The poster did provide references in response to your comment on this thread an hour ago and you responded to it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15711131

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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I mean, if you think you can get max diversity of ideas without also pulling people from different cultures, you’ve been around way too many white men.

Diversity of ideas (and good ideas specifically) comes from education, reading a lot, listening to smart people, thinking, and maybe a bit from genetics. You're concentrating too much on the skin color. We should push smart people, we should create the culture of smart, so people want to become smart.

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Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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I think we've seen Thiel do this before, indirectly fund opposition to organizations he doesn't like when he can't attack them directly. He's also funded lots of politicians that work quite hard to restrict rights at every level of government, including, frankly, that are rather adamantly against equal rights for gay people. He's a great representation that some people will align themselves with anyone to further the…

  > He's also funded lots of politicians that work quite
  > hard to restrict rights at every level of government,
  > including, frankly, that are rather adamantly against
  > equal rights for gay people.
I don't really understand this. Isn't he gay? He doesn't seem an idiot to me so perhaps he doesn't see his actions in the same light as you do.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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In your ideal society, you would rather see Hogan lose in court for lack of money?

Ideally all cases would be decided on their merits irrespective of funding. But if Hogan had lost, do you think Thiel would have stopped? What is frightening about Thiel’s involvement case is the playbook: destroy media companies that have been critical or embarrassed you, by secretly funding any and all lawsuits against them, even if frivolous.

> by secretly funding any and all lawsuits against them, even if frivolous.

Did he actually do this? (all and any, even if frivolous)

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