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Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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His words haven't matched his actions for quite some time now, with the common theme being whatever is good for Mr. P. Thiel is what he's up to, prior pontifications be damned. Free speech --> Sue a magazine Capitalism rules --> Sue because a company is too powerful For a self proclaimed libertarian, his actions are about as libertarian as a baked potato.

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Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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He's quite clear about multiculturalism and diversity - he is criticizing the premise that pushing the people "who look different, but think alike" is not as productive as progressives think. He wants the diversity of ideas, regardless of ethnicities and skin colors.

I mean, if you think you can get max diversity of ideas without also pulling people from different cultures, you’ve been around way too many white men.

What a ridiculous comment.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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> the "dangers" of multiculturalism, gender and ethnic diversity I don't know if "dangers" is your word or his, but it's been shown (a priori and a posteriori) that multiculturalism and ethnic diversity erodes trust and causes social strive. This is opposed to cultural pluralism, where a dominant culture exists and tolerates additional values that don't erode or threaten the dominant culture. The reason I comment is…

It is rather less clear-cut than you claim: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/magazine/13wwln_idealab.ht... > Fearon and Laitin looked at 127 civil wars from 1945 to 1999, most often in sub-Saharan Africa and Asia. They found that regardless of how ethnically mixed a country is, the likelihood of a civil war decreases as countries get richer. The richest states are almost impervious to civil strife, no matter how mul…

> It is rather less clear-cut than you claim

My friend, my entire point was to illustrate that it is not "clear-cut". Far from it. We're in agreement ;)

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's quite clear about multiculturalism and diversity - he is criticizing the premise that pushing the people "who look different, but think alike" is not as productive as progressives think. He wants the diversity of ideas, regardless of ethnicities and skin colors.

I mean, if you think you can get max diversity of ideas without also pulling people from different cultures, you’ve been around way too many white men.

The point is to remember that we should ultimately be caring about diversity of ideas instead of diversity of inconsequential artefacts of human beings. Focussing solely on the latter without the former is not any better than racism, and ultimately a negative sum game for everyone involved.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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You should consider reading about the rest of the research on the matter, or the words of Putnam himself: http://www.chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/robert-putnam-says... One study isn't enough in isolation. Reproduction, vetting, counter-studies, discussion and scientific engagement is what matters on the long run.

I have read that. He concedes the study is valid and the problems real and difficult. Then he adds his own opinion that nevertheless it's worth it. > In the short term, he writes, there are clearly challenges, but over the long haul, he argues that diversity has a range of benefits for a society, and that the fragmentation and distrust can be overcome. It’s not an easy process, but in the end it’s “well worth the eff…

> I mean, this stuff is intuitive for anybody with a sense of history

Intuitive has nothing to do with fact, plenty of factors might heavily influence what one considers "intuitive". For a lot of people the necessity of the death penalty is "intuitive", yet for many societies, it's an absolute no-brainer that such practices are medieval.

So again, unless there is a corpus of studies, all pointing in the same direction, with all the environmental factors completely eliminated using double-blind or other proper scientific methods, we cannot really conclude anything.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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I think we've seen Thiel do this before, indirectly fund opposition to organizations he doesn't like when he can't attack them directly. He's also funded lots of politicians that work quite hard to restrict rights at every level of government, including, frankly, that are rather adamantly against equal rights for gay people. He's a great representation that some people will align themselves with anyone to further the…

Yes it's ironic that he wants to break up Google for being a monopoly but he has no problem with Facebook being a monopoly.

I'm pretty sure that Facebook's monopoly is at least as dangerous as Google's, if not more dangerous.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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Any credible source for your bold statements? Otherwise we can conclude the Russian trolls have also infested HN.

"Everybody that disagrees with me is a Russian troll". I weep for critical thinking.

And we all weep for your woeful efforts to present thinly-veiled bigotry as fact.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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I think we've seen Thiel do this before, indirectly fund opposition to organizations he doesn't like when he can't attack them directly. He's also funded lots of politicians that work quite hard to restrict rights at every level of government, including, frankly, that are rather adamantly against equal rights for gay people. He's a great representation that some people will align themselves with anyone to further the…

Yes it's ironic that he wants to break up Google for being a monopoly but he has no problem with Facebook being a monopoly. I'm pretty sure that Facebook's monopoly is at least as dangerous as Google's, if not more dangerous.

He's on the board of facebook.

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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I think we've seen Thiel do this before, indirectly fund opposition to organizations he doesn't like when he can't attack them directly. He's also funded lots of politicians that work quite hard to restrict rights at every level of government, including, frankly, that are rather adamantly against equal rights for gay people. He's a great representation that some people will align themselves with anyone to further the…

Perhaps placing wealth and success above all else is... bad?

Re: Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?

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> the "dangers" of multiculturalism, gender and ethnic diversity I don't know if "dangers" is your word or his, but it's been shown (a priori and a posteriori) that multiculturalism and ethnic diversity erodes trust and causes social strive. This is opposed to cultural pluralism, where a dominant culture exists and tolerates additional values that don't erode or threaten the dominant culture. The reason I comment is…

> I sense once again an attempt to shame Thiel for his views You say that like there is some sort of hidden agenda. Personally I think there is nothing even remotely wrong with shaming Thiel for his deeply intolerant views. In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

And what exactly is intolerant in Thiel's views?
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