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Leonardo Da Vinci Painting Sells for $450.3M, Shattering Auction Records

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Re: Leonardo Da Vinci Painting Sells for $450.3M, Shattering Auction Records

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't he need someone to pay that same amount or more for the painting to effectively have moved money with this apparatus? And if the next buyer is similarly motivated, isn't the valuation akin to a Ponzi?

You can see some of the debate in the articles linked from here: https://www.google.com/search?q=art+market+money+laundering

A good overview of the problem here: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/arts/design/has-the-art-m...

Re: Leonardo Da Vinci Painting Sells for $450.3M, Shattering Auction Records

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post #25
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10-15% is pretty standard in the auction world.

Still absurd to not discount when the price gets so high.

Auctioneers cost go up proportionally. What do you think insurance and security costs for something like?

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#43
post #17

Marketing wins everywhere. Paintings, IT, open source projects, startups, everything. It seems to be responsible for 90%+ value in worryingly many cases. It may be getting worse. I think in the next few years we will see rise of companies that help customers make decent choices that are not solely based on advertising. We have many user review based solutions but it just doesn't work with most things (not even touchi…

"Some educated 3rd party could research that for you"

Consumer Reports does this.

Donate link is in upper right corner:

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm

Here is the direct link, but it looks weird, so I included the other link.

https://donateconsumers.org/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=19...

Re: Leonardo Da Vinci Painting Sells for $450.3M, Shattering Auction Records

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I think the buyer probably had a net worth at least ≥ $4.5 billion (I wouldn't spend more than 10% of my wealth on a single painting.) According to https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/ there are only ~380 persons that would qualify. Any one knows who is the buyer?

You wouldn't spend more than 10% of your wealth on a Da Vinci?

Re: Leonardo Da Vinci Painting Sells for $450.3M, Shattering Auction Records

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post #17

Marketing wins everywhere. Paintings, IT, open source projects, startups, everything. It seems to be responsible for 90%+ value in worryingly many cases. It may be getting worse. I think in the next few years we will see rise of companies that help customers make decent choices that are not solely based on advertising. We have many user review based solutions but it just doesn't work with most things (not even touchi…

"Some educated 3rd party could research that for you" Consumer Reports does this. Donate link is in upper right corner: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm Here is the direct link, but it looks weird, so I included the other link. https://donateconsumers.org/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=19...

I think it would be best if it could also get as local as possible. If it's global, even per country, it still can only cover the most popular products i.e. those most advertised.

Re: Leonardo Da Vinci Painting Sells for $450.3M, Shattering Auction Records

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post #29
post #5

According to another source from BBC, the final bid for the work was $400m, with fees bringing the full price up to $450.3m. http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42000696 What's interesting from the BBC article is the image "The painting has been cleaned and restored from the image on the left to the one on the right" doesn't even look like the same person? Another anecdote - In 1958 it was sold at auction in L…

That's...kinda weird, right? The before and after are clearly two different paintings. Hair is different, mouth is different...I would assume, as a layman, that restoring a piece of art the goal should keep it looking nearly the same just cleaning it up and removing damage. This looks like they just straight up painted over it.

The restoration removed the previous painted-over-it paint.

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post #17

Marketing wins everywhere. Paintings, IT, open source projects, startups, everything. It seems to be responsible for 90%+ value in worryingly many cases. It may be getting worse. I think in the next few years we will see rise of companies that help customers make decent choices that are not solely based on advertising. We have many user review based solutions but it just doesn't work with most things (not even touchi…

People already pay Gartner a lot of money for just this.

Re: Leonardo Da Vinci Painting Sells for $450.3M, Shattering Auction Records

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post #29
post #5

According to another source from BBC, the final bid for the work was $400m, with fees bringing the full price up to $450.3m. http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42000696 What's interesting from the BBC article is the image "The painting has been cleaned and restored from the image on the left to the one on the right" doesn't even look like the same person? Another anecdote - In 1958 it was sold at auction in L…

That's...kinda weird, right? The before and after are clearly two different paintings. Hair is different, mouth is different...I would assume, as a layman, that restoring a piece of art the goal should keep it looking nearly the same just cleaning it up and removing damage. This looks like they just straight up painted over it.

Christie's has more details here: http://www.christies.com/features/Salvator-Mundi-timeline-86...

That BBC quote is a bit misleading. The photo on the left is what the painting looked like before restoration, not what it looked like when it was originally painted. Parts of it had been damaged and repainted over multiple times in the past which is why the restored version looks so different.

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post #38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7omwQLuGJQ was the marketing campaign

If anyone want's to know the soundtrack, it is 'On the Nature of Daylight' by Max Richter. If you think you've heard it somewhere, it was in Arrival - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543164/

A version of it was also the main theme in Shutter Island.

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post #10

Fascinating to watch Rybolovlev move money in the open like this with the help of the art market apparatus. What a time to be alive. If you're not keeping track this was almost double the price expected for a da Vinci of questioned provenance sold by the fertilizer magnate who bought Donald Trump's Palm Beach mansion for double the estimated price and then never lived in it.

Wouldn't he need someone to pay that same amount or more for the painting to effectively have moved money with this apparatus? And if the next buyer is similarly motivated, isn't the valuation akin to a Ponzi?

If you have $400 million in funds whose origin you can't account for, you move it into some opaque account to buy the painting for that $400 million. The buyer (you) remains "unknown" but now you have $400 million that you can account for, since it came from selling a painting.

In the art auction world, either or both sides can remain as anonymous as they wish, which makes this whole scheme possible.

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