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Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by dingo_bat »

Skunkleton wrote: post #13
b_emery wrote: post #4

A win for open source. I was just thinking the other day that it's a shame that Linus is not a billionaire. Seems he's doing just fine however: "Finnish-American software engineer and hacker Linus Torvalds has as estimated net worth of $150 million and an estimated annual salary of $10 million. He earned his net worth as the principal force behind the development of the Linux kernel." Source: https://www.therichest.c…

Linus is awesome, and he deserves all of his success/money, and possibly more. But it is also important to recognize all of the others that were involved in making Linux such a success. Linux w/ only Linus would not have been the success it is today.

That's true for everything. Apple wouldn't have been apple without Woz, but I'd argue Jobs had a much bigger role in making apple what it is. Similarly, Linus is the one who has built and shaped Linux into what it is today. Other people have of course contributed, but they haven't influenced Linux in any way. If not for these specific people, some others could have contributed and we'd have the same result today. But you cannot replace Linus like that.

Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by mr_toad »

pcunite wrote: post #26
PeachPlum wrote: post #17

Ronald Minnich (if you don't know him see [1]) comments : [1] https://share-ng.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/san... ----------------- "The semiannual TOP500 Supercomputer List was released yesterday. It also shows that China now claims 202 systems within the TOP500, while the United States claims 143 systems." My fellow Americans: Did you ever want to directly experience the transition to being a Tier 2 cou…

Trump is not the problem. It is all the non-elected dark figures behind it all.

From what I can see anti-science, anti-technology attitude is endemic to modern English speaking western culture.

Elected and un-elected officials are just a symptom of the problem. They'd all flip-flop if they thought the political and media climate was shifting.

Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by dingo_bat »

bearbearbear wrote: post #37
b_emery wrote: post #4

A win for open source. I was just thinking the other day that it's a shame that Linus is not a billionaire. Seems he's doing just fine however: "Finnish-American software engineer and hacker Linus Torvalds has as estimated net worth of $150 million and an estimated annual salary of $10 million. He earned his net worth as the principal force behind the development of the Linux kernel." Source: https://www.therichest.c…

Please keep in mind however that many of the world's "supercomputers" are simply "bigger dick" projects where some government or organization slapped a few thousand blades into a rack and connected them with fiber crossbars so they could say they "built a supercomptuer." And also that there's no standardized definition of what a "supercomputer" is. My iPhone is not a "supercomputer" even though it has thousands of ti…

There is no precise definition but I think everyone will agree your iPhone is not a supercomputer :)

Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by [deleted] »

PeachPlum wrote: post #17

Ronald Minnich (if you don't know him see [1]) comments : [1] https://share-ng.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/san... ----------------- "The semiannual TOP500 Supercomputer List was released yesterday. It also shows that China now claims 202 systems within the TOP500, while the United States claims 143 systems." My fellow Americans: Did you ever want to directly experience the transition to being a Tier 2 cou…

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Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by martinpw »

linarism wrote: post #2

Serious question (not in IT), what else can they run?

If you go here:

https://www.top500.org/statistics/overtime/

Then select "Operating System" and submit, you can see the OSs that used to be run on systems over the past 10 years.

Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by JoshTriplett »

zanny wrote: post #21
b_emery wrote: post #4

A win for open source. I was just thinking the other day that it's a shame that Linus is not a billionaire. Seems he's doing just fine however: "Finnish-American software engineer and hacker Linus Torvalds has as estimated net worth of $150 million and an estimated annual salary of $10 million. He earned his net worth as the principal force behind the development of the Linux kernel." Source: https://www.therichest.c…

I don't think its so much a shame that Linus isn't a billionaire than it is we have billionaires at all. There is limited rational or ethical reason for one human being to accumulate so much centralized wealth. There is being rewarded for hard work / skill / innovation and there is exploiting people to become rich, and the line between those is very hard to distinguish when talking about individuals making more than…

> There is limited rational or ethical reason for one human being to accumulate so much centralized wealth

First: yes, there are ethical reasons to accumulate so many resources: because some problems are incredibly hard to solve and need a lot of resources to even start to solve.

Second, it is not on the people who have earned something to prove why they should be "permitted" to keep it; it's on the people who believe it should be taken away from them to justify that. Saying "it's a shame that there are billionaires" is a complaint that some people are wildly successful and shouldn't be, or that they shouldn't be permitted to keep what they earn. There is justifiable resentment and offense to a conversation that starts with a thinly veiled demand for justification, rather than a presentation of justification. The burden of proof is approached the wrong way, and nobody seems to discuss that.

(I'm not interested in quibbles over the word "earn" here.)

It's not a shame that there exist billionaires. It's a shame that there exist people with nothing. The former doesn't need fixing; the latter absolutely does.

Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by c_shu »

jumpman500 wrote: post #77
ekianjo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it is we have billionaires at all. This line of thinking always makes me laugh. You don't complain when a doctors makes money by serving hundreds of patients every month right? Then, when someone builds a product/service that is used by hundreds of millions, or billions of people, the natural conclusion is that they will become millionaires and billionaires. It's very natural, and very logical. > we are talking abo…

> It's very natural, and very logical. Being natural and logical doesn't make it moral or ethical. I think you're only kidding yourself if you believe that people deserve that much money and power. > How about folks who centralize powers like politicians in high level functions, who have not even been elected but appointed? How do you feel about that? They also can have massive influence on the world's affairs, even…

Ideologies and violence caused so many disasters in history. At least money does not directly terrify us like that. Billionaires usually became victims of such disasters. In the end, money is not the ultimate power. It's violence that matters most on this planet.

Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by dxxvi »

"For example, the new Linux 4.14 enables supercomputers to use Heterogeneous Memory Management (HMM). This enables GPUs and CPUs to access a process's shared address space. Exactly 102 of the Top500 are using now using GPU accelerator/co-processor technology. All of these will perform better, thanks to HMM": it sounds like some of the 500 supercomputers use Linux 4.14. I guess none of them uses Linux 4.14 yet.

Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by derefr »

Sevii wrote: post #100
derefr wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Investor accreditation makes sense (for now.) Giving poor people free access to untested-investment-vehicle-X is basically the same as giving them over-the-counter access to scheduled drugs. Mistakes will be made, and the people making them—lacking resources as they do—won't be able to recover from them. Right now, we're spending a lot of money trying to figure out how to get people out of these ruts. (Free housing s…

Poor people are allowed to legally gamble away their money in situations where its 100% known that they will lose it all.

This is kind of why commercial casinos are illegal in 30 states, why racetrack betting is illegal in 29 states, why online gambling is illegal in 46(!) states, and why the only legal (non-charitable) lotteries are state-run.

It's not leftover morality laws; it's that monitoring commercial gambling to protect against exploitation of the poor is a really hard problem, one we haven't really solved. Some states choose to allow it despite this, and then deal with the consequences of increased poverty. Most don't. (And then they're forced to allow it in anyway by native on-res exceptions.)

This is also why such commercial gambling establishments as are legalized, are heavily regulated. For example, see the Nevada state laws on gaming fraud: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-465.html#NRS465Sec070

Those laws aren't there to stop people trying to cheat the house. They're there to stop the house from exploiting people by rigging the game.

Re: All 500 of the world's top 500 supercomputers are running Linux

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Post by ant6n »

sien wrote: post #53
zanny wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think its so much a shame that Linus isn't a billionaire than it is we have billionaires at all. There is limited rational or ethical reason for one human being to accumulate so much centralized wealth. There is being rewarded for hard work / skill / innovation and there is exploiting people to become rich, and the line between those is very hard to distinguish when talking about individuals making more than…

The problem is that the realistic alternative is that there is effectively even more centralized wealth, or wealth control with governments. It would be neat if money was spread even more evenly. But the costs of the intervention to try and wangle it would probably outweigh the benefits. That isn't to say that taxes shouldn't be higher or benefits higher. But even Sweden and France have billionaires. They just have t…

> But even Sweden and France have billionaires.

The problem is impossible to solve because those who are doing better than the US still have this problem?

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