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Bitcoin surges in Zimbabwe after military seize power

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Re: Bitcoin surges in Zimbabwe after military seize power

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I don't want to start the usual bitcoin scaling debate, but aren't the fees extremely high now?

Using [1] an average transaction costs about 10$, this is particularly bad in a poor country. I wonder if using a cryptocurrency is really the best option in this case.

[1]: https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/

Re: Bitcoin surges in Zimbabwe after military seize power

#32
post #15

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Or you outlaw changing cryptocurrency into fiat currency or providing any goods or services in exchange for cryptocurrency. What would bitcoin's value be right now, if it was illegal to convert into any fiat currency? No established exchanges (just black market ones). In addition, due to the power requirements, it is probably pretty easy to figure out who is mining.

They can outlaw exchanges and then cryptocurrencies would "simply" become a black market or "shadow" economy. But they can't stop it.

But at that point wouldn’t people just use cash?

Re: Bitcoin surges in Zimbabwe after military seize power

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if you didn't dealt with this you can't understand, but simply put, 1 week of pay could be toilet paper next week(s), as it happened in Venezuela. In my country some years ago, in a time of crisis for example the government locked all foreign currency in banks, and auto exchanged it for the national currency, at a rate set by them, it was robbery basically, prices would jump up like 25% day to day, so the national cu…

.... but bitcoin frequently jumps 25% a day on NON-domestic news.... how is it a better store of value?

That still beats hyperinflation or the currency collapsing outright. Also, what other investment options do you have? I have no idea how easy or hard it is to buy Vanguard shares on short notice in Zimbabwe.

Re: Bitcoin surges in Zimbabwe after military seize power

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post #31

I don't want to start the usual bitcoin scaling debate, but aren't the fees extremely high now? Using [1] an average transaction costs about 10$, this is particularly bad in a poor country. I wonder if using a cryptocurrency is really the best option in this case. [1]: https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/

The 137,000 satoshi price quoted isn't an average - it's the price to have your transaction almost guaranteed to be accepted in the next block

It also shows 30 satoshi a byte gets you transaction accepted in 3-80 blocks, which based on experience is usually 3-12 blocks - and that works out to be 50c for the average transaction

Re: Bitcoin surges in Zimbabwe after military seize power

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post #20

I feel like there are whales that simply manipulate the price based on news. There's little evidence to suggest bitcoin has any usage in zimbabwe in practical day to day usage. Therelies the problem with bitcoin, why would someone in zimbabwe pay 1 week of their salary to move 3 weeks of pay and still not be sure if the money will still be there tomorrow?

Yeah I hate these "Bitcoin is happening in (Insert African/Latin Country here)" type of remarks.

For Bitcoin to succeed, it needs to conquer the US market adoption and it is not even close to doing that. All price gains are just speculation and market manipulation.

Re: Bitcoin surges in Zimbabwe after military seize power

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post #31

I don't want to start the usual bitcoin scaling debate, but aren't the fees extremely high now? Using [1] an average transaction costs about 10$, this is particularly bad in a poor country. I wonder if using a cryptocurrency is really the best option in this case. [1]: https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/

Wow, so that's maybe OK for moving in/out of a >$1000 position, but horrid for spending as a currency.

Re: Bitcoin surges in Zimbabwe after military seize power

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you didn't dealt with this you can't understand, but simply put, 1 week of pay could be toilet paper next week(s), as it happened in Venezuela. In my country some years ago, in a time of crisis for example the government locked all foreign currency in banks, and auto exchanged it for the national currency, at a rate set by them, it was robbery basically, prices would jump up like 25% day to day, so the national cu…

.... but bitcoin frequently jumps 25% a day on NON-domestic news.... how is it a better store of value?

No it doesn't. It hasn't done for a long time.

Re: Bitcoin surges in Zimbabwe after military seize power

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Sure they can try to "outlaw" cryptocurrencies. Or the internet as a whole. Good luck with enforcing it though…

If you can control the traffic in and out a country, you can control both the internet and block off extra-sovereign chains.

...because censorship (in general) work so well in the past? the bitcoin blockchain generates 6 one MB blocks per hour, that's 1.6 KB/s. i can think of multiple ways to smuggle data in at that bandwidth. blockstream apparently also has satelites broadcasting the blockchain. good luck shutting that down. transactions are even easier. they're less than 0.5KB, something you can easily fit in a few SMS, or in a envelope.
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