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Re: The fake Facebook profile industry

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Post by bfuller »

Tech-Noir wrote: post #199
WhitneyLand wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your situation is very much connected to the current wave of revelations of wrong doing against (mostly) women. Every time one of these celebrities denies a true accusation it causes a whole new wave of damage not only to the victim but, to every person who will ever have to fend off a wrongful accusation, because it muddies the waters and creates FUD. Yes, the data suggests the percentage of false accusation…

> Judge [Louis CK’s] apology/non apology anyway you like, at least he ended it decisively, instead of propagating it for enternity by sowing doubt. What are you talking about? It was "ended" by the NYT publishing, in this current Weinstein/Spacey climate, an article about his offences[1] and leaving him absolutely no other choice but to finally come clean. He was publicly painting his victims as liars (which you quit…

I am sickened by CK's actions. However I am equally as sickened that the conversation is focused on louis ck, who certainly deserves to lose his career, but in my opinion indecent exposure is no where near as traumatizing a crime as forcible rape.

It just screams limited hangout where the big wigs make the new money pervert take the fall in order to take the heat off them.

Re: The fake Facebook profile industry

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Post by bfuller »

dd36 wrote: post #239
Tech-Noir wrote: post #229

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> having an uncontested documented case is a bigger win over a denial I agree. The mistake is crediting that to CK ("at least he...") when in the wake of an article as damning as the one in the NYT, in the current climate where the story was not going to go away, as before, he had absolutely no other option than admit it. > That’s the whole point, they don’t have to ever admit it, regardless of the publicity, short o…

That article said that CK emailed and apologized to many of the women years earlier. The only ones he seemingly didn’t were the two in the hotel room which, according to other sources, agreed to let CK do it. Maybe they thought he was joking but he may not have realized they weren’t okay with it.

The power dynamic is the issue. Can you truly consent to something sexual coming from someone who can end your livelihood?

I understand the rationale behind thinking "oh they should just have just gotten up and walked away" but it makes me sick to my stomach to justify sexual harassment at all PERIOD.

Re: The fake Facebook profile industry

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Post by musage »

emodendroket wrote: post #193
musage wrote: post #182

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To get subsequently smeared to hell and back. Oh, and he didn't even share it publically. He shared it with an internal group discussing these issues . It was then "leaked", and everybody piled on. And you now took part in exactly that, repeating the slander.

Yeah I'm sure the guy who was immediately itching to do an interview with all the luminaries of the alt-right was a shrinking wallflower who didn't want to draw any attention to his manifesto or himself.

does that change what I just said? you don't even acknowledge it, neither that it was gotten wrong the first time. like that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what he did, it matters what you think he wanted to happen in response, and then you can just shorten and jumble it like you want.

Complete with more abuse, victim blaming, that poor little alt-right guy who actually wanted this. He totally planned it!

HE didn't leak it. People opposed to it leaked it. He didn't go public before losing his job, did he?

So, my point still stands, and you added to it. Abusive intellectually dishonest people cheer this kind of stuff on.

Re: The fake Facebook profile industry

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Post by emodendroket »

musage wrote: post #263
emodendroket wrote: post #193

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Yeah I'm sure the guy who was immediately itching to do an interview with all the luminaries of the alt-right was a shrinking wallflower who didn't want to draw any attention to his manifesto or himself.

does that change what I just said? you don't even acknowledge it, neither that it was gotten wrong the first time. like that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what he did, it matters what you think he wanted to happen in response , and then you can just shorten and jumble it like you want. Complete with more abuse, victim blaming, that poor little alt-right guy who actually wanted this. He totally planned it! HE didn…

Well, I suppose it's possible literally everyone who disagrees with you is "dishonest and abusive." Another possibility is that people honestly do not see it your way. I think the most likely explanation is he expected, and wanted, it to go public so he could do the media circuit and become a cause celebre. In fact, choosing all alt-right figures to do interviews first was probably, in my view, his biggest miscalculation, since it tipped his hand.

Re: The fake Facebook profile industry

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Post by exodust »

avenius wrote: post #230
exodust wrote: post #210

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Even worse, Facebook seems to allow people to open an account using someone else's email address. I've never had a FB account yet occasionally I get emails from 'facebookmail.com' addressing me by a woman's name (I'm a man) and pestering me with friend suggestions of people I've never heard of. My email has never been compromised, yet Facebook spams it with the assumption I'm part of their network. I will never join…

To be fair this sounds more like phishing. I would assume emails from facebook came from the facebook.com domain.

I thought that too but after looking it up FB email does indeed come from facebookmail.com

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Post by code_duck »

MereInterest wrote: post #236
code_duck wrote: post #75

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The climate of judging people for private sexual morality is slowly changing in the United States… Same with marijuana smoking. In the 90s, affairs or past pot smoking were considered a big deal. Since then, we have elected Obama and Trump, who would not have passed moral snuff in the 80s.

I'm curious what you consider to be Obama's moral failings, to say that he would not have passed in the 80s.

He openly admitted smoking marijuana in his youth. Bill Clinton weaseled out of it, famously claiming he "didn't inhale" and didn't like it. 16 years later, Obama didn't feel the need to fudge his history in that regard.

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Post by WhitneyLand »

bfuller wrote: post #261
Tech-Noir wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Judge [Louis CK’s] apology/non apology anyway you like, at least he ended it decisively, instead of propagating it for enternity by sowing doubt. What are you talking about? It was "ended" by the NYT publishing, in this current Weinstein/Spacey climate, an article about his offences[1] and leaving him absolutely no other choice but to finally come clean. He was publicly painting his victims as liars (which you quit…

I am sickened by CK's actions. However I am equally as sickened that the conversation is focused on louis ck, who certainly deserves to lose his career, but in my opinion indecent exposure is no where near as traumatizing a crime as forcible rape. It just screams limited hangout where the big wigs make the new money pervert take the fall in order to take the heat off them.

This is what I’m referring to. Your sickening, the the other media outlets critical of CKs response is lost energy that could otherwise better be used against the problem.

You assume discussions are driven by who to focus on, when they are driven by understanding and figuring out the best way forward for healing and justice weighing all variables.

It’s natual to be angry, there’s nothing wrong with it, please carry on with doing it. However I’m asking we separate that anger from discussions of any lessons, priories, strategies, conclusions we can learn from any of this if it has a chance of improving perspective in the long run.

Critical analysis is different from grieving and empathy, and very hard to mix. I’m sure I probably couldn’t separate them if I were a victim or someone close to me was.

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Post by randycupertino »

metalliqaz wrote: post #153
tmpz22 wrote: post #131

Throwaway to share a valuable perspective. My dad is a chronic target for scammers, and falls for them at a rate where I can only think it intentional on some level. He'll allow fake MSPs to install programs as root, on the same machine he does banking and legal on. He'll call numbers when strange javascript alerts tell him he has a virus. He'll then pay people to "remove" said malware, giving them full access to the…

Where I work spear-phishing is a real concern, so they have instituted a training program where they send fake phishing emails every now and then. If you fall for it, you are directed to a training page. If you spot it and click the "report" button, you are greeted with a message congratulating you for being on the ball. Perhaps some training is in order. You may not have the means to simulate a scam from his favorit…

I don't think I would fall for a phishing campaign at work because I get too many emails to read them all anyway!

Re: The fake Facebook profile industry

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Post by randycupertino »

patorjk wrote: post #174
tmpz22 wrote: post #131

Throwaway to share a valuable perspective. My dad is a chronic target for scammers, and falls for them at a rate where I can only think it intentional on some level. He'll allow fake MSPs to install programs as root, on the same machine he does banking and legal on. He'll call numbers when strange javascript alerts tell him he has a virus. He'll then pay people to "remove" said malware, giving them full access to the…

Scammers know the older generation is ripe for exploitation. One of my older relatives, who I'll call Bill, has had a few hacking incidences. Most recently they had their email compromised. The perpetrator must have dug through it quickly because hours later they called up Bill's financial advisor and requested 90k be transferred from his 401k. The financial advisor later told Bill that the reason he didn't do the tr…

Wow that is scary. I could easily see this happening to my mother.

Re: The fake Facebook profile industry

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Post by mullen »

bfuller wrote: post #253
mullen wrote: post #102

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The Pee Tape is an issue because the Racist President had prostitutes pee on a bed that the Black President slept on. That is what the issue is with the Pee Tape. It is not about kink or anything else, just a racist doing racist stuff.

The "pee tape" has been widely discredited. I'm not pro trump but using the word "racist" three times in two sentences and offering fake news as proof does not help your point, in fact it makes you look silly.

I'll break the news to you, the current President is a racist. He is not just a little casual racist, he is pretty damn racist. Let's not tap dance around the issue anymore and let's just call him what he is.

He is also dumb, but that has nothing to do with being a racist or our discussion.

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