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Re: Tech Industry: “We desperately need more developers”

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I know this is targeted more towards student but I also find similar issues if someone with some work-experience wants to switch away from a dwindling tech towards a new tech. People say, well you don't have "relevant" experience.

> People say, well you don't have "relevant" experience.

I'm not sure they'll even say that. A lot of the time they won't bother to talk to you at all.

Re: Tech Industry: “We desperately need more developers”

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Alot of companies think they need senior devs, when in reality what they really need is more junior or mid-level devs. Most developers aren't architecting whole new apps, or building out massive feature requests. Most of the time, it's fixing bugs, maintenance, adjustments to existing features, and other work that mainly requires navigating existing code and infrastructure, with the occasional new feature here and there.

You do need one really good lead developer on the team, to help mentor people. This is the one area that is sometimes a bit lacking. Most leads are great engineers but aren't very good at leading, mentoring or any of the other people type work they need to do. But, all they really need is some training and a personality adjustment, in some cases.

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This is true for developers applying through job ads. patio11 has a written millions of words of advice, many of which talk about how to land work (hint, don't apply through job ads), so I'm not going to try rephrase that, but if you're a developer (even without experience) and you're good at what you do, you really shouldn't have any issues finding work.

(shameless plug) I'm working with hyperiondev.com. We offer 6-month coding bootcamps, and our grads have companies fighting over them even though they have zero "real world" experience and only 6-months of training (yes I've read the bootcamp vs theoretical CS degree flamewars to preempt anyone who believes that anyone who writes a line of code should have 3 years of CS theory to back it up).

Know your stuff. Have a portfolio (minimal is fine). Talk to people (not recruiters or HR staff). There is almost no easier way to find work at the moment than by saying "hey I know what a for loop is", so I have limited sympathy for the people who claim they can't get jobs because of lack of experience in dev.

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post #6

Nobody in this Twitter thread seems to know or understand what a commons problem is. Training up new devs is good for the industry, sure. But your own company doesn't capture all of that value. If you are trying to solve this problem by yelling at companies to be more altruistic, then, as previously stated, you don't know or understand what a commons problem is.

> But your own company doesn't capture all of that value.

If they paid their employees properly, with adequate salary bumps as their experience grew, then the company would capture all of that value, most of the time.

People jumping every 2 years isn't exactly something most employees want to do, it's something companies force upon them.

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post #6

Nobody in this Twitter thread seems to know or understand what a commons problem is. Training up new devs is good for the industry, sure. But your own company doesn't capture all of that value. If you are trying to solve this problem by yelling at companies to be more altruistic, then, as previously stated, you don't know or understand what a commons problem is.

From what I understand, the issue that describe happens because the company doing the training doesn't re-evaluate the now trained developer as more experienced, and therefore, more valuable and deserving of better compensation.

A junior is a junior, until they're not. Pretending that the now trained new developer is still worth the same is foolish, but that's exactly what some employers do to their own detriment.

Re: Tech Industry: “We desperately need more developers”

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post #6

Nobody in this Twitter thread seems to know or understand what a commons problem is. Training up new devs is good for the industry, sure. But your own company doesn't capture all of that value. If you are trying to solve this problem by yelling at companies to be more altruistic, then, as previously stated, you don't know or understand what a commons problem is.

Employees aren't fish or trees. If you train an employee and treat them well they stay with your company longer. Your training increases the value the provide to you. Unlike a fish, which is sold and consumed one day and needs to be replaced the next.

> If you train an employee and treat them well they stay with your company longer.

That's a huge assumption.

Re: Tech Industry: “We desperately need more developers”

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I saw a company asking for 10 years OpenStack development experience. The initial release of OpenStack was 7 years ago. Cant make this shit up.

I've seen the same thing multiple times, especially with NodeJS all those jobs require 10 years of NodeJS experience, even though NodeJS is only like 8.5 years old at this time
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