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Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by regularfry »

pizza234 wrote: post #29
Dunedan wrote: post #2

I can't help to think that Gitlab is more and more eating Github's lunch. I wonder why we see so little from Github to get out of that situation.

It's not so easy. Which lunch are you talking about? Self-hosted or hosted? I don't think GL will ever have anything much in the hosted sector, for two main reasons: 1. GH's infrastructure is far ahead of GL, and 2. the social factor also affects companies that have private repositories, but also public ones - it wouldn't make sense to only move the private repositories to save money When we think about the self-host…

The way I see it going is that many, many large companies will have a bunch of teams on GitHub (with good reason), with both public and private repos. They will also have a bunch of teams on GitLab instances that have been wildcatted into existence, possibly before GitHub had decent inroads, but more probably so the code doesn't leave the firewall.

At some point, a Boss who may or may not have Pointy Hair will look at the bill for GitHub, and the bill for the GitLab infrastructure, and say "Why am I paying for both?" At that point, the teams with code that can't leave the firewall have the trump card, and private repos on GitHub have to move off.

It's not the money itself that makes the argument, it's paying twice for the same thing.

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by tinus_hn »

ufo wrote: post #20
mathw wrote: post #9

I don't actually understand this. Are they referring to the agreements for contributing to GitLab itself, or for contributing to things hosted on GitLab, which surely have nothing to do with the hosting at all?

GNOME and Debian wanted to replace some of their infrastructure with Gitlab but before they did that they asked Gitlab to get rid of their CLA. Before this announcement, people contributing to gitlab itself effectively gave full control of copyrights to gitlab but from now on contributors will keep full control of the copyrights for what they contribute. GNOME and Debian are very serious about free software and are w…

See also:

BitKeeper

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by dominotw »

glutamate wrote: post #10

> GitLab, a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises, ... This claim is false. The linked survey shows that GitLab has a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers. Not every enterprise self-hosts a git repository.

I bought this up on HN in the past[1], but it gets instantly downvoted( by gitlab employees?) , my comment was a response to CEO claiming how their marketing is honest[2].

They also declared Gitlab CI as number one CI by excluding Jenkins because of their made up defintion of "modern" .

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15590240 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15589654

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by plupf »

ufo wrote: post #20
mathw wrote: post #9

I don't actually understand this. Are they referring to the agreements for contributing to GitLab itself, or for contributing to things hosted on GitLab, which surely have nothing to do with the hosting at all?

GNOME and Debian wanted to replace some of their infrastructure with Gitlab but before they did that they asked Gitlab to get rid of their CLA. Before this announcement, people contributing to gitlab itself effectively gave full control of copyrights to gitlab but from now on contributors will keep full control of the copyrights for what they contribute. GNOME and Debian are very serious about free software and are w…

So how does DCO differ here? I'm not getting anything from three words.

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by notyourday »

jlgaddis wrote: post #25
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're saying it's a falsehood and Nicole Plati, our media contact, gave alternative facts to that.

There's a very big difference between "2/3 of all enterprises" (press release) and "a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers" ( glutamate , above). I've been a fan of GitLab's for quite a while (mostly due to your transparency; I just created an account a few weeks ago to try it out) but -- unless you are claiming that GitLab is being used by two-thirds of " all enterprises" -- this is very misleading, IMO.

> There's a very big difference between "2/3 of all enterprises" (press release) and "a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers" (glutamate, above).

And even that is a total pulled out of the ass claim. At most it could be "who responded to our survey"

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by camgunz »

glutamate wrote: post #10

> GitLab, a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises, ... This claim is false. The linked survey shows that GitLab has a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers. Not every enterprise self-hosts a git repository.

How much do you really care if their marketing department is aggressive? Isn't it better that GitLab is open source and a reasonably good member of the OSS community? Honestly I don't even count those stats as false; Jenkins feels super old and the context weirdness ("Not every enterprise self-hosts a git repository") actually makes sense. If this is the trade to support OSS, it's way better than building a shadow surveillance state under the guise of profit via advertising revenue.

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by jabl »

plupf wrote: post #35
ufo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNOME and Debian wanted to replace some of their infrastructure with Gitlab but before they did that they asked Gitlab to get rid of their CLA. Before this announcement, people contributing to gitlab itself effectively gave full control of copyrights to gitlab but from now on contributors will keep full control of the copyrights for what they contribute. GNOME and Debian are very serious about free software and are w…

So how does DCO differ here? I'm not getting anything from three words.

The DCO is not a CLA. It's more a document that says that the submitter is indeed the copyright holder of the submitted work (or his/her employer/etc. is) and that the contribution is licensed under the same license as the original software.

See https://elinux.org/Developer_Certificate_Of_Origin

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by icebraining »

grabcocque wrote: post #5
Dunedan wrote: post #2

I can't help to think that Gitlab is more and more eating Github's lunch. I wonder why we see so little from Github to get out of that situation.

Classic innovator’s dilemma. Their first mover advantage has made them complacent.

I don't see why Github would have to cannibalize their own product to compete with Gitlab..

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by YorickPeterse »

dominotw wrote: post #33
glutamate wrote: post #10

> GitLab, a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises, ... This claim is false. The linked survey shows that GitLab has a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers. Not every enterprise self-hosts a git repository.

I bought this up on HN in the past[1], but it gets instantly downvoted( by gitlab employees?) , my comment was a response to CEO claiming how their marketing is honest[2]. They also declared Gitlab CI as number one CI by excluding Jenkins because of their made up defintion of "modern" . 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15590240 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15589654

You are most likely getting downvoted because of statements such as:

    > These guys are not honest people, just copycats under the guise of "open".
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