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Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

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Re: Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

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While this headline is factual, this is like saying " Man With Pre-Existing Health Conditions Donated to the Obama Campaign, and Now We Have Obamacare ". People shop for candidates that will serve their interests and then try to help get them elected. That is how our system of government works, and there is nothing wrong with that. The article strives to imply that Thiel paid this guy off to bring the action, but pro…

>While this headline is factual, this is like saying "Man With Pre-Existing Health Conditions Donated to the Obama Campaign, and Now We Have Obamacare". And what you are saying is like saying "a pebble fell into the ocean and a boulder fell into the ocean and it's the same because they both produced waves" . Donations from the 1% are many orders of magnitude bigger than donations from ordinary folks mainly because or…

I suppose I should have put the amount in my headline. Let's say someone with the same amount to donate - $300K in this case - donated to Obama, because he wanted to support a candidate that would introduce legislation that would allow him to get health insurance despite several pre-existing conditions. Would you view that as wrong? You may, but it's certainly not illegal, and it's no different than what happened here.

Again, people shop for and donate to candidates that will serve their interests. If you want that to be illegal, write your representatives.

Re: Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

#42

While this headline is factual, this is like saying " Man With Pre-Existing Health Conditions Donated to the Obama Campaign, and Now We Have Obamacare ". People shop for candidates that will serve their interests and then try to help get them elected. That is how our system of government works, and there is nothing wrong with that. The article strives to imply that Thiel paid this guy off to bring the action, but pro…

Agreed:

Dustin Moskovitz and his wife Cari Tuna gave $20 million to boost Clinton and other Democratic campaigns.

Reid Hoffman gave 40,000 to Democrats in 2016.

Sheryl Sandberg of contributed over $200,000 to Democratic electoral campaigns in 2016.

Marc Benioff has previously put more than $100,000 toward Democratic election funds.

Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky has spent more than $10,000 to support the Democratic ticket in 2016.

Elon Musk has also contributed to Democratic campaign funds — which was vital as much of his business depends on government contracting, subsidy and tax credits.

John Doerr of Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers had donated more than $600,000 to Clinton-related super PACs, and Brook Byers of the same firm has donated more than $100,000 to Democrat campaign funds.

So WHY IS THIS A STORY? Because apparently Peter Thiel prefers to support causes he prefers which aren’t necessarily the causes that Bloomberg et al support. Peter was acting perfectly legally. We can debate the merits of the system, but Thiel didn’t do anything particularly noteworthy here.

Re: Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

#43

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>While this headline is factual, this is like saying "Man With Pre-Existing Health Conditions Donated to the Obama Campaign, and Now We Have Obamacare". And what you are saying is like saying "a pebble fell into the ocean and a boulder fell into the ocean and it's the same because they both produced waves" . Donations from the 1% are many orders of magnitude bigger than donations from ordinary folks mainly because or…

I suppose I should have put the amount in my headline. Let's say someone with the same amount to donate - $300K in this case - donated to Obama, because he wanted to support a candidate that would introduce legislation that would allow him to get health insurance despite several pre-existing conditions. Would you view that as wrong? You may, but it's certainly not illegal, and it's no different than what happened her…

>You may, but it's certainly not illegal, and it's no different than what happened here.

No one is arguing that it is illegal (not even the article). It is a bad system.

Re: Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose I should have put the amount in my headline. Let's say someone with the same amount to donate - $300K in this case - donated to Obama, because he wanted to support a candidate that would introduce legislation that would allow him to get health insurance despite several pre-existing conditions. Would you view that as wrong? You may, but it's certainly not illegal, and it's no different than what happened her…

>You may, but it's certainly not illegal, and it's no different than what happened here. No one is arguing that it is illegal (not even the article). It is a bad system.

>No one is arguing that it is illegal (not even the article)

Yes and no. The article is trying to imply that he paid off a politician to carry out his vendetta against Google, which is illegal. They don't come out and say it directly, because they know he'd sue them into oblivion. But that is what they are implying. They're saying "there's smoke here...must be a fire somewhere!"

Re: Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

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While this headline is factual, this is like saying " Man With Pre-Existing Health Conditions Donated to the Obama Campaign, and Now We Have Obamacare ". People shop for candidates that will serve their interests and then try to help get them elected. That is how our system of government works, and there is nothing wrong with that. The article strives to imply that Thiel paid this guy off to bring the action, but pro…

Agreed: Dustin Moskovitz and his wife Cari Tuna gave $20 million to boost Clinton and other Democratic campaigns. Reid Hoffman gave 40,000 to Democrats in 2016. Sheryl Sandberg of contributed over $200,000 to Democratic electoral campaigns in 2016. Marc Benioff has previously put more than $100,000 toward Democratic election funds. Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky has spent more than $10,000 to support the Democratic ticket i…

And Sam Altan as well: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-sam-altman-2017071...

Re: Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

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While this headline is factual, this is like saying " Man With Pre-Existing Health Conditions Donated to the Obama Campaign, and Now We Have Obamacare ". People shop for candidates that will serve their interests and then try to help get them elected. That is how our system of government works, and there is nothing wrong with that. The article strives to imply that Thiel paid this guy off to bring the action, but pro…

> That is how our system of government works, and there is nothing wrong with that. The system you described naturally consolidates power, and most of society finds it acceptable only if it coexists with a mechanism to redistribute some of that power to the underprivileged class. So there are some things wrong with it. > a man hated by liberals for his support of Donald Trump Liberals hate him for his conservative vi…

> Textbook conservative gaslighting to downplay the prevalence of an issue that they find to be inconvenient.

I think depending on your experiences, it may come off as gaslighting, but as a conservative (who loathes Trump and a lot of what Thiel champions), I can tell you that even the word racist is a heavy handed social weapon that has sometimes been used wrongly, or, and this is what triggers conservative anger, is when it's applied only to white people. So it comes off as intellectually dishonest in these types of discussions.

You may be thinking "oh Lord, cry me a river", but if everyone would cop to and own up for their own failings and work on that, things might ease a bit with regard to the tension of these discussions.

Also, you can't have diversity of experience when it's convenient, and uniformity of experience at the same time. What I mean is, if all or most PoC have experienced racism, why is it not ok to then label all PoC with the negative labels and experiences?

I've known many privileged PoC who demonstrate, if not full blown racism, then above average hostility and prejudice to not only other races, but even subgroups in their own ethnicity.

And I have known many white people who come from an underprivileged background who suffer from many of the same structural inequalities in the system because of their background and who they associate with.

I would agree with him that there really aren't many racists in the world in general, if we are defining racist as a person who consciously believes one race is superior to another.

But if we define it as people who have subconscious prejudices that influence their thinking of other cultures, ethnicities, races, etc., Then I would say that they are everywhere, including you and I.

But going with the latter definition is tricky, because humans are complex in that prejudices are overridden as often as they influence a decision. For instance, my former doctor was a somewhat older Asian lady, and she has a gigantic prejudice towards Russians and would say things like "Never adopt from Russia, the babies parents have so many drinking problems. The baby will have too many problems". However, having had her for many years, I can say that if a Russian, baby or not were to go to her for help, she would provide the same level of care she would give anyone else. Her prejudices may influence her initial thinking, but these sorts of things, if people are honest with themselves, are quickly overridden.

Again, I'm not saying there aren't racists and that there aren't institutional issues that stem from it, I'm saying that it's frustrating that it's often ignored when PoC exhibit the same behavior, and that it happens when the environment is setup to favor PoC and the white person is the one at the disadvantage.

So all that to say, I don't think it's inconvenient for conservatives or whites to have the discussion, it's just very often overly emotional on both sides and incredibly frustrating at times.

Re: Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

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Yes those who have money buy political favors in US. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/07/amid-antitrust-talk... Google has 25 lobbying firms on retainer and spends at least $15M / year on lobbying. That is more than Verizon, Monsanto and Goldman for example, just to pick a few traditional big and scary companies off the top of my head. Also speaking of Google, it has a pretty wide revolving door: "22 former Whit…

The way I've always heard is that Google was coming up while the DOJ was tearing into Microsoft for anti trust and so was very culturally aware of the impact that government can have on the success of a company.

Re: Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

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Do you have an argument other than that it feels wrong to you? Some people feel deeply about net neutrality and the state of society.

Consider two scenarios: You contribute $X to a political figure because you want to draw there attention to an issue because... A) you think society stands to benefit from making certain changes the political figure can enact B) you think you personally stand to not only get back your $X but personally fatten your wallet significantly in other ways as a result of changes the political figure can enact Is the distinct…

Both A and B would clearly apply to sick person donating for Obama to implement Obamacare.

I'm pretty sure Thiel donated because A applies to him. The question is wether B applies to him though.

Re: Peter Thiel Gave Money to Attorney General Going After Google

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Sure, sure. If Bill Gates gave $1 mil ist's nothing to him but what is it to ME? The average person would probably be tempted to murder someone in exchange for that

Sure. It highlights the corrupting influence wealthy people have over politics. I'm just saying, Thiel giving a small (for him) donation to some random AG doesn't necessarily mean he's particularly interested in that race. I would guess he has given equal or larger donations to many other politicians and political action committees.

>I'm just saying, Thiel giving a small (for him) donation to some random AG doesn't necessarily mean he's particularly interested in that race.

he gave all what he could - sounds different from "gave a small (for him) donation" :)

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