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Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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Serenity?

More like Equilibrium, given the effects of lithium. Of course, we are talking about really small doses. It does beg the question though. If small doses are effective, why do people only get prescribed massively higher doses?

A prescription is an intervention, and uses higher levels to achieve dramatic change over a short period of time. This is proposing small doses because the target range is lifetime

Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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post #10

Ever see the movie 'Equilibrium'..? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_%28film%29 I think we need to make changes to how we live our lives before we resort to using drugs if we can avoid it. What's next? Dieting drugs in our water?

It's not like this is an anti-obesity drug to fight poor life choices and life styles. I really hope you don't feel that the majority of suicides were by people who simply made 'poor life choices' and needed to change how they lived.

And, even when the condition can be remedied by life changes, good or bad (is moving to Seattle and suffering from depression deserving of criticism?) doesn't it make sense to buy time by treating the major life threatening symptoms, i.e. trying to kill yourself?

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post #7

"One person's right to drink lithium-free water is no greater than another's right to drink lithium-enhanced water." Um... If you feel this strongly about it, then go put lithium in your water. Don't make me buy bottled water. I've been on lithium before. I'd prefer to spend the rest of my life as far away from ingesting it as possible.

Also, I highly doubt anyone has done a study on what tiny amounts of lithium ingested regularly would do to your kidneys. There is a reason your doctor wants you to get semi-regular kidney function tests if you're on lithium.

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post #10

Ever see the movie 'Equilibrium'..? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_%28film%29 I think we need to make changes to how we live our lives before we resort to using drugs if we can avoid it. What's next? Dieting drugs in our water?

It's not like this is an anti-obesity drug to fight poor life choices and life styles. I really hope you don't feel that the majority of suicides were by people who simply made 'poor life choices' and needed to change how they lived. And, even when the condition can be remedied by life changes, good or bad (is moving to Seattle and suffering from depression deserving of criticism?) doesn't it make sense to buy time b…

What are the majority of suicides caused by? (I am actually curious.)

I'm merely saying that living a healthy, active and happy life would produce good results and help to avoid needing to take drugs. Is that wrong? Naive?

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Regarding the success story provided as precedent: I don't know the quantities involved, but if it is known that swallowing a toothpaste tube's worth of fluoride can kill a child, I'm not comfortable with the idea of tainting the drinking water with even "safe" amounts of this poison just so it will briefly pass by your teeth in its way to your digestive tract. Sounds reckless and extremely disrespectful to me.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/toothpaste.html

Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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Regarding the success story provided as precedent: I don't know the quantities involved, but if it is known that swallowing a toothpaste tube's worth of fluoride can kill a child, I'm not comfortable with the idea of tainting the drinking water with even "safe" amounts of this poison just so it will briefly pass by your teeth in its way to your digestive tract. Sounds reckless and extremely disrespectful to me. http:…

So I think what you're trying to say is that it's an international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids?

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like this is an anti-obesity drug to fight poor life choices and life styles. I really hope you don't feel that the majority of suicides were by people who simply made 'poor life choices' and needed to change how they lived. And, even when the condition can be remedied by life changes, good or bad (is moving to Seattle and suffering from depression deserving of criticism?) doesn't it make sense to buy time b…

What are the majority of suicides caused by? (I am actually curious.) I'm merely saying that living a healthy, active and happy life would produce good results and help to avoid needing to take drugs. Is that wrong? Naive?

Naive, yes.

Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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The toxicity of lithium is a reality. To monitor the level of toxicity you need to check the concentration level in the blood. If you start to distribute lithium in water, how can you ensure that the level of lithium remains below toxicity in the blood of each water drinker (even if you control the concentration as you don't control the quantity of water used by everyone)? Lithium is often a salt and what will be the effect of the concentration when cooking or taking a shower?

Even if lithium was added in 7up[1] before the fifties, it's not drinking water and you don't take your bath with 7up or cook your potatoes with it...

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_pharmacology

Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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post #13
post #7

"One person's right to drink lithium-free water is no greater than another's right to drink lithium-enhanced water." Um... If you feel this strongly about it, then go put lithium in your water. Don't make me buy bottled water. I've been on lithium before. I'd prefer to spend the rest of my life as far away from ingesting it as possible.

Also, I highly doubt anyone has done a study on what tiny amounts of lithium ingested regularly would do to your kidneys. There is a reason your doctor wants you to get semi-regular kidney function tests if you're on lithium.

I would expect someone has done a study.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=renal+lithium+therapy

Re: Bioethicist proposes adding lithium to US drinking water

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post #17
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the majority of suicides caused by? (I am actually curious.) I'm merely saying that living a healthy, active and happy life would produce good results and help to avoid needing to take drugs. Is that wrong? Naive?

Naive, yes.

Well, you can't avoid all drugs, but you would agree that it would reduce the ones you can actively avoid. Right?

Naive or not, I think an active healthy lifestyle is something that we should all strive for. Work and hope for the best.

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