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Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by jeffdavis »

JadeNB wrote: post #625
callahad wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The privacy situation is absolutely different; Mozilla has no profit motive to monitor and monetize your activity on the Web. For example, Firefox Sync is specifically designed so that we have no knowledge of your browsing data. In contrast, when you sign into Chrome, "Your experience in other Google products is personalized by including your Chrome history with your Web & App Activity."( https://support.google.com/c…

> Mozilla has no profit motive to monitor and monetize your activity on the Web. But if a substantial portion of Mozilla's funding comes from an organisation that does have a profit motive to monitor and monetise my activity on the web, then surely that's almost as bad (for me as the end user)?

I donate to Mozilla because they claim to support privacy, and I want them to be less dependent on large donations.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by _frog »

awinder wrote: post #120

This is so close to great but can a mac snob ask how to get a more consistent UI experience out of firefox? I'm totally happy with how everything behaves inside the web panel but: 1. At a minimum I'd be happy with a toolbar icon set that was a little more in step with OS X design (but willing to hear if I just have misunderstanding of design :D) 2. As a reach, os-native menus or at least more native-style menus for t…

I think the light theme feels much more 'native' on macOS, especially in Nightly where they've added the same 'vibrancy' effects they use on the standard theme[1]. That said, a few things like the Photon-style menus and the lack of bouncy scrolling make it feel a little out of place.

[1]: https://i.imgur.com/TrRyhLU.png

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by scholia »

mythmon_ wrote: post #546
scholia wrote: post #541

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> No matter how many tabs I have open they remain usable size They were! I think they've shrunk, though that might be an optical illusion... And I can't see a simple way to make them bigger (simple as in: not editing the css file).

There is a pref that controls the minimum width now (browser.tabs.tabMinWidth). The default changed from 100px to 76px in Firefox 57. You should be able to tweak this to change the minimum width.

Fantastic. Many many thanks.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by SilasX »

alexandrerond wrote: post #422
Mizza wrote: post #65

I just upgraded. It completely changes the chrome of the browser on OSX and it is _absolutely hideous_. There are a lots of unnecessary animations that I find very jarring. I don't know if there's a way to change it back yet. UPDATE: There is a "Customize Firefox" button which allows modifying the theme, which fixes the colors, but not the shape of the tabs or the animations. UPDATE: In about:config, you can disable…

Years of work to make Firefox the fastest browser. Countless research and engineering hours. With actual amazing, noticeable results as soon as you try it. With a bunch of useful UI features. "But tabs aren't curved, so fuck these guys! I won't upgrade!" Oh well...

Yes, sorry we annoyed you with not wanting existing view-layer functionality to be irreversibly broken. Especially given FF's policy of "no, we're not making it easy to revert. Ever."

I lost my entire workflow one day when I did an "emergency upgrade" to FF that broke my addons and wouldn't even let me fix it.

I got some German actors to play it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taGARf8K5J8

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by chmln »

parmesan wrote: post #116

I just updated - WOW! What an improvement! Compared startup time and scrolling around some over-monetized sites; Behaves just as well as Chrome. Time for a switch again, I've missed FireFox since I started having Chrome as my default browser back in ~2011

On Linux, its still night and day difference in favor of Chrome.

I wish FF performance was as good as it is on Windows.

As much as I want to like Mozilla, even with Quantum, there's pretty much no hardware acceleration at all, missing out on potentially big performance benefits.

As others mentioned, e.g. VDPAU has been available for a long time now and there's no excuse for not taking advantage of GPU acceleration.

Now contrast this to evil Google and Chrome.

Firefox: https://imgur.com/mvtDenC Chrome: https://imgur.com/HBOpucc

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by SkyMarshal »

chmln wrote: post #705
parmesan wrote: post #116

I just updated - WOW! What an improvement! Compared startup time and scrolling around some over-monetized sites; Behaves just as well as Chrome. Time for a switch again, I've missed FireFox since I started having Chrome as my default browser back in ~2011

On Linux, its still night and day difference in favor of Chrome. I wish FF performance was as good as it is on Windows. As much as I want to like Mozilla, even with Quantum, there's pretty much no hardware acceleration at all, missing out on potentially big performance benefits. As others mentioned, e.g. VDPAU has been available for a long time now and there's no excuse for not taking advantage of GPU acceleration. N…

FF 57 is the first release of a big rewrite, I'm sure it will get VDPAU at some point, but they needed to get the base feature set stable first.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by ben-schaaf »

chmln wrote: post #705
parmesan wrote: post #116

I just updated - WOW! What an improvement! Compared startup time and scrolling around some over-monetized sites; Behaves just as well as Chrome. Time for a switch again, I've missed FireFox since I started having Chrome as my default browser back in ~2011

On Linux, its still night and day difference in favor of Chrome. I wish FF performance was as good as it is on Windows. As much as I want to like Mozilla, even with Quantum, there's pretty much no hardware acceleration at all, missing out on potentially big performance benefits. As others mentioned, e.g. VDPAU has been available for a long time now and there's no excuse for not taking advantage of GPU acceleration. N…

For me it's exactly the opposite. While js and render performance might have been worse, scrolling has become more and more choppy with every chrome release while Firefox has absolutely no issues (even without quantum)

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by daveheq »

parmesan wrote: post #116

I just updated - WOW! What an improvement! Compared startup time and scrolling around some over-monetized sites; Behaves just as well as Chrome. Time for a switch again, I've missed FireFox since I started having Chrome as my default browser back in ~2011

Now Google just needs to test their apps like Drive on it... I stopped using Firefox partly because they were so buggy on it.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by hendersoon »

Yoric wrote: post #238
doodpants wrote: post #180

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> Note that the webextension APIs are still under active development. In which case, switching to webextension support exclusively is premature at this point, don't you think? It would have been better to wait until the API was robust enough to allow 99.99% of legacy extensions to be ported.

Unfortunately, this would have meant no Firefox Quantum. As a Firefox dev (I'm still working at Mozilla, although not much on Firefox atm), I have seen many, many occurrences in which I couldn't optimize codepaths, or even in some case fix bugs, because the old extension mechanism made it impossible. Consider the necessary steps: 1. realize that an internal API is broken; 2. come up with a new non-broken API; 3. port…

I'm sure you're absolutely correct in all the above, but I was happy with Firefox 56, then you broke mouse gestures so I stopped using Firefox and switched to Vivaldi. Whether alienating a huge number of formerly content users ends up increasing Firefox marketshare remains to be seen. But I won't be one of them.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by hendersoon »

usrusr wrote: post #680
disconnected wrote: post #287

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Look at this from a user perspective: The user diligently updates Firefox, optimistically hoping that this new version will be as awesome as the previous ones that vastly improved performance. Firefox starts and, suddenly, a bunch of things that used to work stop working. Why? Well, essentially, something that they can't hope to comprehend and that they never asked for and had no input on just ruined their browser. W…

The users' perspective, in short: before 57, I had one browser that was fast but lacked all the UI tweaks that I had grown accustomed to over the course of a decade or so (Chrome/Chromium), and one browser that maybe wasn't so fast but had all those UI tweak (Firefox, which I used all the time). Now I have not one but two fast browsers with a UI that I do not like. It's perfectly understandable that Firefox devs woul…

Thank you, your post perfectly encapsulates my feelings on the matter.
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