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Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by kiliankoe »

softawre wrote: post #364
sdfjkl wrote: post #317

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I have all my passwords in OS X Keychain too (why would you use an external password manager when your OS comes with a perfectly good one). I did not switch from Safari to Firefox until I discovered above addon many years ago, and I won't upgrade to 57 until Mozilla either fixes the SDK so the addon can be ported or (better) integrates into OS X Keychain like a well behaved Mac application should.

I think most people here use more than 1 non-mobile OS?

I assume this is in reference to using the builtin macOS keychain? It syncs just fine to iOS as well if you use iCloud Keychain. That's obviously not possible with Android, but you don't necessarily need a 3rd party password manager if you're only using Apple products.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by rvanmil »

pcwalton wrote: post #324
rvanmil wrote: post #154

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If only they'd put all the effort spent into trying to imitate macOS into actually building an AppKit version... I guess that's never going to happen due to the cross platform nature of Firefox, but it also means (among other reasons) I'll never use it as my primary browser.

Firefox uses Cocoa/AppKit extensively. It doesn't "imitiate macOS": it actually uses the system APIs throughout. The one thing it doesn't do is to use native widgets to render the UI of the browser chrome. Using native widgets for Web content in a cross-platform browser isn't a very attractive proposition, because native widgets either can't be composited at all (Windows, GTK+) or require that you delegate your entir…

I completely understand the reasons, but the result is an application which does not feel and behave like a native macOS application. It is a lot better than all the Electron crap out there for sure, but it's still a major reason why Firefox can't replace Safari for me.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by helenius »

cptskippy wrote: post #331
jp_rider wrote: post #234

If you'd like to disable pocket, here are instructions: https://help.getpocket.com/article/1025-disabling-pocket-in-...

Unfortunately that doesn't disable the "Recommended by Pocket" crap on the New Tab Window. I have Firefox installed on 8 different machines and the option to remove "Recommended by Pocket" in the New Tab Preferences only appears in half of them. If you're missing the option then you can open about:config and set "browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.feeds.section.topstories" to false to get rid of it. I also blew away…

If you like syncing files you could look into user.js for syncing config settings:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by AsyncAwait »

toweringgoat wrote: post #474
Yoric wrote: post #457

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Better privacy? Non-profit? More open source? Cheerful community? Pick one or more :)

Privacy is about the same, Mozilla Corporation (who distribute the browser) aren't non-profit, both are open source. Correct on community maybe.

> Mozilla Corporation (who distribute the browser) aren't non-profit

Mozilla Corporation is wholly owned by the non-profit.

> both are open source

Not to the same degree, as Chrome != Chromium

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by MadWombat »

alexandrerond wrote: post #422
Mizza wrote: post #65

I just upgraded. It completely changes the chrome of the browser on OSX and it is _absolutely hideous_. There are a lots of unnecessary animations that I find very jarring. I don't know if there's a way to change it back yet. UPDATE: There is a "Customize Firefox" button which allows modifying the theme, which fixes the colors, but not the shape of the tabs or the animations. UPDATE: In about:config, you can disable…

Years of work to make Firefox the fastest browser. Countless research and engineering hours. With actual amazing, noticeable results as soon as you try it. With a bunch of useful UI features. "But tabs aren't curved, so fuck these guys! I won't upgrade!" Oh well...

I didn't have any complaints about speed. Who actually cares about browser speed? But I do care that suddenly, my browser looks completely different, half the functionality I use is missing and there is no way for me to get it back. The fact that this happened as an automatic upgrade without as much as asking me whether or not I want it to happen is not exactly a winning point either.

Edit: It seems that I was too hasty with my "who cares about speed" question. Apparently a lot of people do. I guess I just never found FF that much slower than other browsers. If it takes a second or two longer to load some page it is just not important to me.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by gpm »

vanderZwan wrote: post #307
DamnInteresting wrote: post #212

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There's no replacement for ScrapBook, a plugin where I have a decade of stored annotated documents (no hyperbole, my oldest files date from 2007). Ever since I discovered that FF57 was going to kill ScrapBook I had to disable Firefox updates so I don't lose access to ~6GB of stored data. It's a mix of past, present, and future writing research. I know I have access to clumsy workarounds such as copying FF56 to a VM w…

> I'm thinking about reverse-engineering the way ScrapBook stores data so I can write my own migration to something else, but...oof. Looking around on the ScrapBook website[0] reveals that "gomita", the author of the plugin, has a GitHub profile[1]. Sadly without a repository of ScrapBook source code. Still, you could try contacting gomita and ask if they want to put it there to help with reverse engineering it? Or m…

Firefox extensions contain the source code anyways, find the "xpi" file, which is actually a zip file, unzip it, and explore.

Not to discourage asking for help, just that the source not being on github isn't super relevant.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by wingworks »

Mizza wrote: post #65

I just upgraded. It completely changes the chrome of the browser on OSX and it is _absolutely hideous_. There are a lots of unnecessary animations that I find very jarring. I don't know if there's a way to change it back yet. UPDATE: There is a "Customize Firefox" button which allows modifying the theme, which fixes the colors, but not the shape of the tabs or the animations. UPDATE: In about:config, you can disable…

I actually like the new design, the one thing that I do still miss is the elastic scrolling at the top/bottom of pages that Safari and Chrome have (and every other Mac app that you can scroll in). Just doesn't feel like a native Mac app.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by Sylos »

choward wrote: post #435

The one feature I wanted that chrome has isn't there in Gnome: no worthless title bar that shows redundant information. I saw screenshots for Gnome with the title bar missing before Quantum was released, so I had my hopes up. There is an extension to get rid of it. However, you also have to manually install some other garbage too. They provide a debian package, but I'm not using a debian based OS so it's a pain in th…

Relevant bug report: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1283299

Experimental Nightly build with the Client-Side Decorations that you want enabled: https://github.com/stransky/gecko-dev/tree/titlebar-csd

(This link is taken from comment #64 in that bug report.)

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by throwanem »

chimeracoder wrote: post #463
throwanem wrote: post #452

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Is it impossible to support window or otherwise chrome-level event listeners and also e10s? As I said in a prior comment, there seems no a priori reason that should be the case.

> Is it impossible to support window or otherwise chrome-level event listeners and also e10s? Yes, because those things are now running in different processes, which means it requires IPC, and allowing extensions to communicate over IPC with the chome throws all the benefits of e10s out the window.

The Mozilla triage meeting in September, which covered this issue, suggests that the requested feature may land in Firefox 58: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pw5y-GHwDLPV9bYK4HWCiZts...

It looks like it's been broken down into a number of separate issues since then, and there's some discovery yet to be done on how exactly the implementation will need to proceed - I feel like Firefox 58 is very optimistic, but I also feel like saying "this is never going to happen" is pretty premature at this point. At the very least, the Firefox devs don't seem to agree.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by stinky613 »

revelation wrote: post #432
dralley wrote: post #315

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AMD graphics. And since we were talking about Macs, the answer is "a lot"

And what is the intersection of "Macs", "AMD graphics" and "battery powered"? Pretty sure it is the empty set.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro Find in Page "AMD"
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