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Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Just updated it on Android... and I wish I hadn't. The very first thing I was greeted with on the "top sites" page was a bunch of "Recommended by Pocket" links, and no way to disable that. I can't find anything in about:config to disable this either. How about NO, goddammit? Shame on you, Mozilla.

That pissed me off too. When did Mozilla become an advertiser?

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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As a Mozilla dev, I fully support the move to WebExtensions, but I also disagree with you. Porting an add-on to a whole new architecture is lots of work. People who do this on their spare time, or small companies, or companies relying on contractors, may not have the time/resources/will to do it, even within two years. Also, in some case, the APIs are simply not available. As for why I believe that the move to WebExt…

Sure, but what I'm arguing against here in this thread is the pervasive "Mozilla is evil, they only killed XUL extensions for fun". Just read this thread. When actually millions of users get a vastly superior Firefox. Many, many extensions have been updated. And some extensions – mostly niche ones haven't. I love that trade-off.

On this, I definitely agree.

The point of your post on which I disagree is the idea that we need to name a "culprit".

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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I have to say it's been a while since I have been impressed with a firefox official release, I have been using nightly for a couple of weeks now.

Another thing to note, and maybe most people don't instinctively realize this, but Chrome should get a lot of kudos for bringing both browsers and the web forward in such a short time. Let's not forget - the clusterfuck both Firefox and IE were before chrome came to the scene. A lot of the implements that makes Firefox awesome now came from chrome.

Chrome played just as big of a role as FF did to bring IE out of the gutter.

I haven't used IE (or whatever it's current incarnation is called) for a long time as a daily driver - spend some time about 6 months ago - wasn't impressed, but still better than what it was before.

Thanks, Chrome team.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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This was possible until today and FF57 with the "Keychain Services Integration" plugin -- but it can't be ported to WebExtensions. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/keychain-serv... I will miss it and I'm not sure what to do next.

I have all my passwords in OS X Keychain too (why would you use an external password manager when your OS comes with a perfectly good one). I did not switch from Safari to Firefox until I discovered above addon many years ago, and I won't upgrade to 57 until Mozilla either fixes the SDK so the addon can be ported or (better) integrates into OS X Keychain like a well behaved Mac application should.

I think most people here use more than 1 non-mobile OS?

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Sorry about that inconvenience. The current plan is to revisit WebSocket debugging in Q1 next year, per https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885508 . Part of the delay is the complete rewrite that most of the DevTools are undergoing. As we move from legacy, in-house solutions (XUL) to standard web technology (HTML/JS, React/Redux, etc.) as part of the "devtools.html" project: https://github.com/devtools-html/

I see the tracking issue has been in bugzilla for years. I get that it is a tricky map from the raw packets to these frames, but relying on a 3rd party extension to the point of deprioritizing work on this is a pretty iffy call - I wasn't excited about trusting an extension at all; that the extension seems to have been broken in 57 entirely (foreseeably too) just feels meh. I guess I'm part of a minority of people wh…

Very sorry about that. The third party extension was developed by a core DevTools engineer, just not merged upstream. We'll get there. :)

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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This will be the first version of Firefox that I won't be using. The final straw with me was the "Studies" integration. I've wanted to stop using Firefox since Pocket and EME was integrated, but I have failed to find anything else that works for me. I can no longer pretend to trust the Mozilla Foundation or the Firefox team, given their track record over the last few years. In our current era, the browser has become a critical piece of software and it is dangerous to trust an organization who wishes to censor [1][2] and track users.

[1] Brendan Eich https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2014/04/11/did-mozilla-ce...

[2] Mozilla Information Trust Initiative : https://archive.fo/jcJWg

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Sooooo did you make a donation to the author so that they actually have a reason to spend some of their personal time on improving it beyond the initial porting effort? I mean, they have a life they need to live and time they need to allocate too, right? If it's and indispensable add-on, you can probably part with a few bucks to help get it improved to the level you need, rather than the level the author felt was app…

the author of TST is refusing donations AFAIK. He also said a lot of blockages came from Firefox and not from himself. I find it a bit sad that Firefox is not making TST a prime feature of Firefox. Are no Firefox developers using TST? I find that surprising.

It's possible most of them are now using the combination of tab containers and the "snooze tabs" extension, rather than trees. A test pilot feature that lets you mark tabs as "I don't want to see you until tonight/tomorrow morning/the weekend/next week/etc". It really cuts down on the need to keep 100+ tabs open (you just silo the tabs based on their role, then snooze all the ones you don't want to lose but don't need in the slightest right now either).

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Sure, but what I'm arguing against here in this thread is the pervasive "Mozilla is evil, they only killed XUL extensions for fun". Just read this thread. When actually millions of users get a vastly superior Firefox. Many, many extensions have been updated. And some extensions – mostly niche ones haven't. I love that trade-off.

On this, I definitely agree. The point of your post on which I disagree is the idea that we need to name a "culprit".

Parent started blaming people. I certainly understand when authors don't have time or have lost interest.

Insofar I was wrong. It's not authors who are to blame, it's very vocal users. You can see a few of them right here.

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