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Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by sizzle »

fleitz wrote: post #183
deadmetheny wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to give you the choice of being stabbed or punched. It would be morally presumptuous on my part to assume you don't actually enjoy the choice you have made, given you took that choice logically.

I'd take being punched, easy choice. Removing a cancel button or publishing a listicle is hardly a false dichotomy, you can close the app, you can not click on it. Users love anti-patterns which is why they frequent businesses that engage in them, rather than choose another business that doesn't. I had your inclinations too when I started making them, I protested that this would lead to various bad outcomes which did…

"Users love anti-patterns which is why they frequent businesses that engage in them, rather than choose another business that doesn't. "

Dude have you ever considered the plethora of other reasons users may choose a platform/service with 'dark pattern' over others, such as that platform/service being more feature rich or having a greater utility to that user? You are deluding yourself thinking your anti-patterns make a difference in the end. Sure signups may go up, but user engagement will surely drop off if the experience is crap or hostile after onboarding. Your sign up flow is just one small portion of a user's journey in your platform/app.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by avar »

speby wrote: post #176
avar wrote: post #32

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Everything is like this, just earlier today there was a "Air Travelers Resisting the ‘Incredible Shrinking Airline Seat’" thread[1] here where if the comments are to be believed a huge number of people simply don't travel anymore because the seats are so horrible. Surely nobody would want to fly anymore! Meanwhile the airline industry has been growing consistently for decades. Similarly, surely nobody would ever pay…

> Stated preferences are very different from revealed preferences. Maybe better worded as "Stated preferences are very often different from actual behavior." On the other hand, it is worth noting that I am sure _at least some people_ probably really would boycott the game. Or in the case of the shrinking seat, surely _some people_ will stop flying. But this is just an example of some segment of potential customers op…

Yes, of course some people will hate it so much that they'll boycott the service, whether it's games with DLC or airlines.

But my point is that a much larger segment of the population just likes to complain, and if you listen to what they're saying you'll get an inaccurate picture of reality.

For example, people who complain about the state of seats on airplanes while choosing not to book "economy plus" or "economy comfort" or whatever it's called, which often isn't more expensive than the equivalent of one sit-down meal and a beer at a cheap restaurant.

But those people won't say "listen, all other things being equal I'd prefer a bit more room, but honestly I'd rather save $40 to put up with a bit of discomfort to eat at a better restaurant once I land".

Even though that's the description that best matches reality given the data at hand. Instead they'll go on some tirade about how really they fly so much less than they used to, meanwhile air travel is increasing all over the world and we'd have to assume market researchers for all these airlines are idiots because there's some huge market segment for the taking if they'd only increase leg room a bit.

Which they'll try, but they'll quickly find out that while people complain they're really not prepared to pay an extra $40 for it. So here we are.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by rorykoehler »

simias wrote: post #101
bunderbunder wrote: post #19

I'm continually fascinated by the gaming community's relationship with EA. It's like, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 37 times. . . ahh, what the hey, let's throw another 60 quid in this hole. I'm sure this time it'll be different."

I can't think of any way out honestly. You can say anything you want about EA but I'm sure they act very rationally. If despite the heavy backlash over the years they keep doing what they're doing then it must be working for them. That's the problem with these lootboxes, given how fast they spread to every AAA games these days (including single player games where they hardly make sense in the first place) it's obviou…

Micro transactions have ruined gaming for a casual gamer like me. Everything is such an obvious funnel to making a payment now. There’s no fun in it.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by [deleted] »

bunderbunder wrote: post #162
dvlsg wrote: post #118

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That's part of the problem, though. For a lot of these games, the player does enjoy them - just not the loot boxes and how they have affected how quickly "free" players can unlock things.

I guess I still don't see the problem, then. Is the problem that EA has some sort of moral obligation to introduce only the kinds of game mechanics that a specific set of people enjoys, and anyone who responds to (and, apparently, is willing to pay a whole lot of money for) different game mechanics can go jump in a lake?

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Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by DonHopkins »

CydeWeys wrote: post #40
bunderbunder wrote: post #19

I'm continually fascinated by the gaming community's relationship with EA. It's like, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 37 times. . . ahh, what the hey, let's throw another 60 quid in this hole. I'm sure this time it'll be different."

Exactly the same with me. I never buy games at launch and I tend to stay away from F2P games entirely. There's way too many games coming out compared to the free time I have available to play them, so I've accepted that I'm never going to play the vast majority of releases. Others need to come to that same realization -- it's perfectly fine to skip a game if the company's practices suck. As for what I have been playi…

What blows my mind about Factorio, besides the excellent game design and execution, is how fucking rock solid and silky smooth it runs, in spite of its extreme complexity and vast number of moving parts.

I've logged many many hours of game play, and leave it running for days at a time, and it's never crashed, stuttered or even bogged down on me once! (Maybe I'm just not making big enough factories, though.)

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by DonHopkins »

Balgair wrote: post #98
CydeWeys wrote: post #40

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Exactly the same with me. I never buy games at launch and I tend to stay away from F2P games entirely. There's way too many games coming out compared to the free time I have available to play them, so I've accepted that I'm never going to play the vast majority of releases. Others need to come to that same realization -- it's perfectly fine to skip a game if the company's practices suck. As for what I have been playi…

On Factorio and those kinda game: To me, Factorio is very basically just simplified Eagle with monsters (Eagle is PCB designer software). You have underground belts (vias), smelters (ICs), inserters (Caps, resistors, 2 lead parts). Then you throw some monsters in there to give some random fuzz on the designs and make things a bit more 'spicy'. Mincraft is much the same, it's a very basic Solidworks. You can extrude a…

Astroneer is like Minecraft without the 90 degree angles.

https://astroneer.space/

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by DonHopkins »

CydeWeys wrote: post #137
Balgair wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Factorio and those kinda game: To me, Factorio is very basically just simplified Eagle with monsters (Eagle is PCB designer software). You have underground belts (vias), smelters (ICs), inserters (Caps, resistors, 2 lead parts). Then you throw some monsters in there to give some random fuzz on the designs and make things a bit more 'spicy'. Mincraft is much the same, it's a very basic Solidworks. You can extrude a…

So I've played all the ones that you've mentioned and loved them (especially Kerbal Space Program), but I'd like to point out that they're fun to play because they're games , whereas similar industrial software applications are not games. This is a very meaningful distinction because the addition of game mechanics makes them fun to play around with. I also don't think the connections are quite so close as you make th…

I beg your pardon. Photoshop has always been the best computer game ever!

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by DonHopkins »

jasonkostempski wrote: post #6
zeveb wrote: post #3

I wonder if EA will need to get a new user account.

I don't know what reddit gold does but could they have given themselves those 12 to counteract the downvotes?

EA just posted the most downvoted comment in history of the universe, by orders of magnitude.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b...

People are actually "hate guilding": paying real money for reddit gold in order to send "fuck you" messages to EA that they can't ignore or mute in a locked thread.

We may be witnessing the birth of a new business model.

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