Unfortunately, old industries tend toward new "talent" + degree in something cool sounding in hopes of disruptive "yahtzee". they, or at least mine, largely ignore the ones who know the business rules/needs the most in gavor of who "should know the future best". Oops.
Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap
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Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dunno, I thought The Wire was good. And the only guy who went to college in Game of Thrones is sort of a dork. Seriously though, while this is part of the problem, I think the motivations behind this sort of thing are typically not really about what’s in the best interest of the working class. It has more to do with increasing political polarization of universities and a desire to reduce public spending on educatio…
I see Jobs that could be done with a high school diploma that now request a masters degree. This creates an insane hurdle for someone to get into the upper middle class. Having people enter the workforce 4+ years sooner not only reduces debt it also allows them to be productive generating a lot of wealth. Consider what it means if doctors skip an undergrad degree, it's not only less debt, but also more working years.
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#23> Manufacturing employment has fallen in both countries, yet in Germany, manufacturing's value added has stayed around 22 percent in the last 20 years.
So Germany has done well even before the age of AI. But are they well prepared for the AI disruption?
Because currently the article seems to be relying on past data from Germany to predict a future solution.
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#24Isn't Germany, one of the more booming economies of Europe, a place that promotes the trades and provides educational tracks for interested students to easily get into apprenticeship programs? And where there isn't stigma against entering such a field?
This isn’t true. Germany is the second most credentialist, title obsessed country in the world, with a class structure as obvious as in the UK, if different.
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#25Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap
#26If people are going to make more money, where does the demand come from? Or is this about American manufacturers gaining market share from/in other countries? I don't know much about macroeconomics, so maybe this is a silly question.
There are five electricians in town, they each make $40/hour. They have a hard time finding qualified apprentices. After education, there are 7 electricians. The same 5 electricians still make $40/hour, but the two new electricians make $25/hour. Turns out there's a previously unserved market for a cheaper and less experienced electrician.
Unlike college, becoming an apprentice electrician isn't terribly costly or time consuming. People climb that mountain all the time on their own dime. The problem is that they run back down once they see the view.
Electrical work is hard, stressful, and sometimes dangerous. Jam a bunch of innocent kids through trade school instead of college, and we'll probably still have a shortage of electricians.
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#27Remove the social stigma of not going to college. Hardly any tv shows that show young non college grads as positive.
>Remove the social stigma of not going to college. Hardly any tv shows that show young non college grads as positive. Or just make college useful and accessible. Give people the option of a European style undergrad where there is no liberal arts breadth, only technical courses. If we had accredited colleges doing 3 year bachelor degrees in STEM, the system would be much more efficient.
Separate college’s education and credentialism functions. If the US government says it will recognise anyone who passes X test as having a Bachelor’s degree in X, for some value of X, there will be a reasonable number of people getting four year degrees in three, two or one.
Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap
#28Remove the social stigma of not going to college. Hardly any tv shows that show young non college grads as positive.
Improve the quality of average public high schools so that a high school diploma is a guarantee of basic literacy, science knowledge, basic schools, etc.
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#29> Researchers are investigating how the United States can become more competitive in the manufacturing industry in the age of artificial intelligence. > Manufacturing employment has fallen in both countries, yet in Germany, manufacturing's value added has stayed around 22 percent in the last 20 years. So Germany has done well even before the age of AI . But are they well prepared for the AI disruption? Because curren…
Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap
#30Isn't Germany, one of the more booming economies of Europe, a place that promotes the trades and provides educational tracks for interested students to easily get into apprenticeship programs? And where there isn't stigma against entering such a field?
> And where there isn't stigma against entering such a field? This isn’t true. Germany is the second most credentialist, title obsessed country in the world, with a class structure as obvious as in the UK, if different.