Men at Work Wonder If They Overstepped with Women, Too
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#2The amount of hysteria on display by men in this article and elsewhere is ridiculous. What happened to the skeptical "treat each person as an individual" attitude that created "Not All Men"?
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#3The amount of hysteria on display by men in this article and elsewhere is ridiculous. What happened to the skeptical "treat each person as an individual" attitude that created "Not All Men"?
Ridiculous until you wake up one day and discover you no longer have a career.
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#4All these incidents will end up causing segregation and unwillingness to hire/work with women.
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#5I honestly don't know what all the fuss is about? Is it that difficult to just treat women -- not nicely -- but equally? This is kindergarten level stuff, people. Keep your hands to yourself, be nice, don't ask overly personal questions about people unless they share first, etc.
I guarantee anyone reading this that if they just reflect behavior they'll be fine. This means if someone shares something moderately personal, do the same. If someone laughs, laugh back. To mimic behavior is to be human.
Be human.
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#6The amount of hysteria on display by men in this article and elsewhere is ridiculous. What happened to the skeptical "treat each person as an individual" attitude that created "Not All Men"?
Are you saying "hysteria" ironically?
But seriously, things are getting hugely chaotic. The only safe bet is keeping sexuality totally out of the workplace. But that doesn't mean isolation. As you say, you treat everyone the same. Because you really have no clue about their sexual orientation or status, issues, vulnerability, and so on.
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#7I honestly don't know what all the fuss is about? Is it that difficult to just treat women -- not nicely -- but equally? This is kindergarten level stuff, people. Keep your hands to yourself, be nice, don't ask overly personal questions about people unless they share first, etc. I guarantee anyone reading this that if they just reflect behavior they'll be fine. This means if someone shares something moderately person…
No it's not but it's hard for the hysteria to settle and thus a lot of men will be wrongfully accused.
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#8I'm not sure why this is hard... why is any amount of flirting, or innuendo etc. at work OK?
I do realize that people spend much of their time at work, and it's a place people meet.
Personally, now that we have dating sites and such I would not risk my career by trying to initiate a relationship with someone I am working with...
I'd rather avoid even just the mild awkwardness of someone being uncomfortable at me asking them for coffee or dinner, and having to then work with them after that.
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#9The amount of hysteria on display by men in this article and elsewhere is ridiculous. What happened to the skeptical "treat each person as an individual" attitude that created "Not All Men"?
Ridiculous until you wake up one day and discover you no longer have a career.
The occasional occurrence of an unlikely event does not make it reasonable to arrange your life around avoiding it. See: kidnapping by a stranger, plane crashes, suddenly having a photo of yourself go viral on the internet.
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#10I've been an owner of a company for years now and I've always followed a few simple rules with the women who work for our company:
- I never, ever comment on their appearance, including new hairstyles, clothing, etc.
- I refer to them as "women", never as "ladies" or "girls" or other nonsense.
- No touching (hugs, etc.) with the exception of handshakes and high fives.
- I don't engage in, or tolerate, any sexist, sexual or otherwise inappropriate conversations.
I will, however, happily go for lunch, have a drink, etc., as I would any other colleague.
Incidentally I regularly break some of these rules with male employees, such as remarking on haircuts ("looking good", etc.), but it's different. (I maintain the rule about sexist/sexual conversations across the board - talking about women with male colleagues isn't cool either.)
I could probably break some of these rules with some of the women in my office without causing offence too, especially the people I'm closer with - e.g. by remarking on a new outfit or something - but I don't want to be a creep so I just play it super safe with everybody.
It's really not all that difficult: be a professional, don't be a creep, and err on the side of caution. If you have to overcompensate like Pence, it's still a hell of a lot better than the alternative.