Live data from Hacker News

Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap

cnbc.com

1–10 of 297 posts

Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap

#4
post #3

It doesn’t need to be one or the other. Just because trade schools are good doesn’t mean we should ignore the needs of everyone who wants a 4 year degree or has a mountain of student loan debt.

It's even better than that. If trade schools can recover some prestige, and more people who would be happier and better off for going there do go there, then colleges can become better colleges, too. Colleges trying to be both is doing a disservice to everyone.

Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap

#5
post #2

Remove the social stigma of not going to college. Hardly any tv shows that show young non college grads as positive.

I dunno, I thought The Wire was good. And the only guy who went to college in Game of Thrones is sort of a dork.

Seriously though, while this is part of the problem, I think the motivations behind this sort of thing are typically not really about what’s in the best interest of the working class. It has more to do with increasing political polarization of universities and a desire to reduce public spending on education, especially public education. The more straightforward solution is to ensure people can afford higher education if they want it. But if you’re more concerned about the short term bottom line, it’s easier to just let people either borrow absurd amounts of money for it or give up on that and go to a trade school.

Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap

#6
post #2

Remove the social stigma of not going to college. Hardly any tv shows that show young non college grads as positive.

Social stigma is not the problem. Employers requiring degrees for jobs that don’t require a degree are the problem. They force the cost on the student, and with demand for college education then bring inelastic, colleges have all of the pricing power to charge whatever they want.

Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap

#7
post #2

Remove the social stigma of not going to college. Hardly any tv shows that show young non college grads as positive.

Social stigma is not the problem. Employers requiring degrees for jobs that don’t require a degree are the problem. They force the cost on the student, and with demand for college education then bring inelastic, colleges have all of the pricing power to charge whatever they want.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Degree requirements are the last bastion of socially acceptable racism.

Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap

#8
post #2

Remove the social stigma of not going to college. Hardly any tv shows that show young non college grads as positive.

Maybe frame it in a positive way. Remove the stigma of going into the trades and becoming a skilled "blue collar" craftsman.

Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap

#9
post #2

Remove the social stigma of not going to college. Hardly any tv shows that show young non college grads as positive.

Improve the quality of average public high schools so that a high school diploma is a guarantee of basic literacy, science knowledge, basic schools, etc.

Re: Trade school, not 4-year college, is a better bet to solve the US income gap

#10
Isn't Germany, one of the more booming economies of Europe, a place that promotes the trades and provides educational tracks for interested students to easily get into apprenticeship programs? And where there isn't stigma against entering such a field?
Post reply on HN