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Re: How Firefox Got Fast Again

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Post by iterati »

nindalf wrote: post #225
gfodor wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saka keys on Firefox has been a suitable replacement for me.

Not me personally, but there will always be a vocal minority who will complain about having their workflow broken. Any replacement will be missing some critical feature. For a person affected by this, it is a painful experience having their entire workflow broken so they resort to dire warnings on forums such as this one ('Firefox is finished without '). In this case, I think Firefox made a good choice in modernising…

Less "dire warnings on forums" and more "slow development pace for required pieces to make my workflow even possible again".

Here's an issue opened June 9 that hasn't been addressed by the Mozilla team and hasn't had any updates in a month: https://github.com/cmcaine/keyboard-api/issues/1

Here's the request for a better keyboard API (referenced in the above) that's been open for over 2 years with no end in sight: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215061

I'm sure the new FF is going to make some users happy, but as you said, having your workflow broken is quite painful, and the Mozilla team has known about this for years but still not made the upgrade path bearable.

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Post by kristofferR »

millstone wrote: post #177

I tried Firefox 57 hoping to like it, and I found it's still too alien feeling on the Mac. The scroll bar looks, behaves, and animates differently. Text selection looks and behaves differently. Even the cursor blinks differently. It feels out-of-place. I wish there were a community effort to build a true native Firefox version, instead of trying to recreate standard Mac behaviors.

Camino used to be exactly that: https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/7548/camino

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Post by bastijn »

I want to put a comment on how awesome the drawings are. Just skimming the drawings is sufficient to get the concepts. Style is awesome too. Whoever drew them deserves a moment of attention.

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Post by on_and_off »

mapgrep wrote: post #52

I switched back to Firefox 54 from Chrome when multiprocess browsing ("Electrolysis") came out of beta. It's been absolutely great. It's fast and I trust and like the nonprofit behind it. And all the extensions I care about are available. My main issue with Chrome was the endless nags to sign in to a Google account, and just generally wanting less dependence on Google. I also like that Firefox has a built in tracking…

>My main issue with Chrome was the endless nags to sign in to a Google account, and just generally wanting less dependence on Google

One thing they have been doing very well is allowing history to sync between multiple devices on different OSes.

Right now I use Chrome everywhere because :

- It feels pretty fast (I still have to try the new FF)

- Any replacement needs to come with an extension covering this feature and working across all my OSes.

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Post by Santosh83 »

moomin wrote: post #338
Santosh83 wrote: post #289

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Until all the big corps start censoring the same kinds of contents and behaviour by an unspoken consensus. At that point it becomes effectively as easy to live without all the major online services as it would be to live as an outlaw. Easier or more difficult to get by without shouldn't distract us from the core point GP made, that corporate (arbitrary) censorship, with no redress, should be taken as seriously as gov…

Consider this: imagine the guy sat next to you at work starts yelling at you with a loudhailer all day. Every day. And he never ever shuts up. (Alternatively, imagine that he just whispers "fuck santosh" all day.) Would you expect him to be free to continue doing it? Would you expect the government to stop him? Or would you expect your employer to stop him? The answer is: groups of people (and corporations are groups…

In which case there needs to be easy to employ mechanisms to redress grievances, which tech corps currently don't have. For example, account lockouts and DMCA takedowns (when done by error or if the user thinks is unfair) are pretty much permanent. Your best option is to accept the data loss, move on and create another account.

My point is censorship is a huge responsibility and power, especially when it is done at the scale govts and multi-national corps do, and therefore it needs serious transparency and checks and balances, in both cases.

I don't see this happening to satisfaction. Instances of regrettable censorship stay regrettable, and keep recurring.

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Post by GuB-42 »

callahad wrote: post #287
GuB-42 wrote: post #223

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Isn't it the same thing no matter the browser? If you are logged in you Google account, every Google search will end up in your Google history. It doesn't matter if you search from Chrome's omnibox, google.com or Firefox's search bar. Does Chrome also uploads search made with other search engines? That would be a bit more worrisome. Though considering that Firefox saves your history in your "Firefox Sync" account, I…

Firefox Sync is intentionally designed so that we can't read or recover your data; it's all encrypted client-side. Chrome is specifically designed to do the opposite: Google explicitly states that when you sign into Chrome, "your experience in other Google products is personalized by including your Chrome history with your Web & App Activity." ( https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/185277 )

A good point. Firefox sync has zero-knowledge encryption, Chrome sync doesn't. It is just that if Firefox sync stores your history, Chrome sync probably does it too.

And interestingly, you could have a page showing your search history with Firefox sync just like with Google. Just because a page shows you private data doesn't mean someone else has access to it, and the more common opposite is also true.

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Post by nkkollaw »

laken wrote: post #73
seba_dos1 wrote: post #54

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Nothing can beat Chrome in being the fastest to become unusable when opening many tabs ;)

Very true. Chrome can never handle my 150+ tabs per window that Firefox can.

What do you do with 150 tabs?

When I have 20 open I already start to get confused about where stuff is...

Re: How Firefox Got Fast Again

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Post by huntie »

I've been pretty happy with FF57. One thing I've noticed is that opening a new tab seems to block the browser. I have my new tab page set to a personal web page, which takes 150ms to fetch. If I open a new tab and press F6 before the page is loaded, it doesn't read the input.

Other than that the only thing I really want is tab groups.

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Post by icc97 »

Manishearth wrote: post #344
bonsai80 wrote: post #335

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The use case for this is that you want to leave your gmail/youtube/etc all logged in, but not let Google track you all over the internet. My primary use for this feature is this specific use case. I created a "Google Spyware" container and configured Google-related things to open in there. If I go to google.com outside of that container, I'm a non-logged-in user. If I open it in the container I AM logged in, so I get…

I know. I've been using containers ever since it was an experiment :) My question is independent of container tabs, it's a question of whether we know the level of tracking Google does on a signed-in chrome where your google account is not signed in in the session (is this even possible?)

You can find pretty much all the data that Google has on you - they allow you to examine the history of it. As far as I know they don't track your entire web browsing history but they do record all uses of their sites with your account.

But personally I certainly don't need to be logged in using any of Googles services except for GMail so I'd rather just not build up the history rather than having to go about deleting it (or not because there's so many other things to get distracted by)

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Post by clairity »

mtgx wrote: post #87
mapgrep wrote: post #52

I switched back to Firefox 54 from Chrome when multiprocess browsing ("Electrolysis") came out of beta. It's been absolutely great. It's fast and I trust and like the nonprofit behind it. And all the extensions I care about are available. My main issue with Chrome was the endless nags to sign in to a Google account, and just generally wanting less dependence on Google. I also like that Firefox has a built in tracking…

For those who don't know, if you sign in to your Google account in Chrome, Google will automatically save all the searches you've done in the omnibox. I don't remember Google ever warning me specifically that this was happening in the background, and after I checked https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity and noticed it was doing that, I was so furious that I deleted all the data Google kept on me there, and paused…

thanks for the direct ftp link, and congrats to the firefox team! i've been using 57 (and 58) via the developer edition and really like the improvements.

but i think i'll stick with 56 as my default browser for a little longer since quantum breaks some great legacy add-ons:

  * NoScript -- control script execution
  * RequestPolicy (and its variants) -- control content requests
  * Blend In -- use the most common user agent string
ublock origin can somewhat replace the first two (although i think its UI could use some improvement) but the latter one and a few more that i use don't have direct equivalents (yet).
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