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Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by kibwen » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:47 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #101

bunderbunder wrote: post #19

I'm continually fascinated by the gaming community's relationship with EA. It's like, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 37 times. . . ahh, what the hey, let's throw another 60 quid in this hole. I'm sure this time it'll be different."

I can't think of any way out honestly. You can say anything you want about EA but I'm sure they act very rationally. If despite the heavy backlash over the years they keep doing what they're doing then it must be working for them. That's the problem with these lootboxes, given how fast they spread to every AAA games these days (including single player games where they hardly make sense in the first place) it's obviou…

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 was released on Nov 10, 2009. Here's a famous image from Nov 12, 2009: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--uJYUJ7W...

As for your prediction, I think you're sadly spot-on. There will always be enough whales to make it worthwhile to pander to them, and milking them will be essential for any company that cares more about making money than about making a good game.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by Raphmedia » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:48 PM UTC

rcfox wrote: post #91

Raphmedia wrote: post #24

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> Wow that's some incredible brigading. Is it really brigading? The entire gaming community hates those practices. Nobody is manipulating people to downvote this comment. It's genuine hate and digust. Paying the price of a game to unlock one single character is a joke. EA's reply is also very bad. "The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes." I fail to see…

It's not a perfect measure, but there are about 90k subscribers for the subreddit and about 4x that number of downvotes.

Reddit encourages cross-posting. This thread for example https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/7cm3o8/the_...

There's also the fact that the main thread has 62.9k votes and is probably on the front-page. This make it so that every reddit users will go through it, see the horrible corporate answer and downvote it.

I myself am not subscribed to that subreddit and still downvoted that comment.

Edit: And there are probably people looking at https://www.reddit.com/user/EACommunityTeam directly.

Edit2: And it blew up on Twitter so that's a lot of the downvotes.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by bduerst » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #101

bunderbunder wrote: post #19

I'm continually fascinated by the gaming community's relationship with EA. It's like, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 37 times. . . ahh, what the hey, let's throw another 60 quid in this hole. I'm sure this time it'll be different."

I can't think of any way out honestly. You can say anything you want about EA but I'm sure they act very rationally. If despite the heavy backlash over the years they keep doing what they're doing then it must be working for them. That's the problem with these lootboxes, given how fast they spread to every AAA games these days (including single player games where they hardly make sense in the first place) it's obviou…

I think that prediction is a coin toss at this time. There's a chance it would play out as you say, but I think there's also a chance that as these games become more predatory, a new category of gambling rating will be defined. Sure the payout isn't cash, but it's still throwing money at a chance of gaining something of value.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by celdon25 » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC

sebtoast wrote: post #121

celdon25 wrote: post #111

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Speak for yourself. I had my EA account stolen once. You know what they did? Nothing. I was able to trace the culprit's real name, his e-mail address, country of origin, and ISP via an IP address (which was not provided by EA, by the way ;-)). I did not even get a response from EA's customer service, except some drone sending me a password reset, which I did not need by then. At least Blizzard puts some effort into i…

I had the opposite happen to me with my EA account. It was stolen and I was getting emails in Russian (I think) but I didn't care (mostly because of things they do like this post) until last year when I wanted to play BF2:BC so I contacted EA's customer service thinking there's no way I could get the account back, especially after 4-5 years. They asked a couple of questions and got my account back in about 15 minutes…

I was able to get it back without their help. But I couldn't change the security question back to my own.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by celdon25 » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:51 PM UTC

PeanutNore wrote: post #116

celdon25 wrote: post #111

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Speak for yourself. I had my EA account stolen once. You know what they did? Nothing. I was able to trace the culprit's real name, his e-mail address, country of origin, and ISP via an IP address (which was not provided by EA, by the way ;-)). I did not even get a response from EA's customer service, except some drone sending me a password reset, which I did not need by then. At least Blizzard puts some effort into i…

I had my EA account stolen last year, and getting it back was really straightforward and pretty frictionless. You just need to pick up the phone and call them (or you can also put your phone number in a form and they will call you, so there's no waiting on hold).

Tried the form, did not receive a call. I was able to get my account back without their help. But I couldn't change the security question back to my own.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by Nursie » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:51 PM UTC

hyperpape wrote: post #127

Nursie wrote: post #83

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In the case of the seat, the revealed preference is "I still need to get from A to B, so you can abuse me all you like". Like airline food, there's no effective way to reveal that you might prefer to pay a little more for something a little better, and your choice is usually limited to paying a lot more.

There are a number of airlines that have made their name on being more pleasant than others. Virgin was one. Largely the financial results seem to have borne out the status quo.

I suppose so. It's difficult to see this stuff on any comparison website, and most airlines try to sell themselves on comfort. So you end up relying on experience or word of mouth.

FWIW I try to stick to airlines I know I'll have at least a half-decent experience with. So far that's Singapore, British, Virgin, QANTAS and a few others.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by CydeWeys » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:54 PM UTC

Balgair wrote: post #98

CydeWeys wrote: post #40

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Exactly the same with me. I never buy games at launch and I tend to stay away from F2P games entirely. There's way too many games coming out compared to the free time I have available to play them, so I've accepted that I'm never going to play the vast majority of releases. Others need to come to that same realization -- it's perfectly fine to skip a game if the company's practices suck. As for what I have been playi…

On Factorio and those kinda game: To me, Factorio is very basically just simplified Eagle with monsters (Eagle is PCB designer software). You have underground belts (vias), smelters (ICs), inserters (Caps, resistors, 2 lead parts). Then you throw some monsters in there to give some random fuzz on the designs and make things a bit more 'spicy'. Mincraft is much the same, it's a very basic Solidworks. You can extrude a…

So I've played all the ones that you've mentioned and loved them (especially Kerbal Space Program), but I'd like to point out that they're fun to play because they're games, whereas similar industrial software applications are not games. This is a very meaningful distinction because the addition of game mechanics makes them fun to play around with.

I also don't think the connections are quite so close as you make them out to be. Factorio is at its heart a survival game -- you can't just dismiss the enemies as added "spice", as they are an integral part of the challenge. The advanced factory automation becomes necessary to build up your tech level high enough to take on the higher level monsters that come at you later in the game.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by bduerst » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:54 PM UTC

rkuykendall-com wrote: post #100

Balgair wrote: post #98

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On Factorio and those kinda game: To me, Factorio is very basically just simplified Eagle with monsters (Eagle is PCB designer software). You have underground belts (vias), smelters (ICs), inserters (Caps, resistors, 2 lead parts). Then you throw some monsters in there to give some random fuzz on the designs and make things a bit more 'spicy'. Mincraft is much the same, it's a very basic Solidworks. You can extrude a…

> some kinda Wall-Street software http://store.steampowered.com/app/271240/Offworld_Trading_Co... ?

I've played that - Offworld Trader Co is seriously a day trader simulation, but with commodities on Mars.

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by darklajid » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:57 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #65

darklajid wrote: post #53

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I just bought a AAA title - Destiny 2. Humble Bundle seemed like a decent store, right? I made so many purchases with them in the past. 60 dollars later I had a key that Blizzard wouldn't accept. My Battle.Net account (years old, ooooold) was created in Germany. I lived in different countries since then and currently live in SG, the key that I purchased was locked to the US/Asia Pacific region. Now .. I certainly can…

Except blizzard has a huge pobpem with stolen accounts. This is one way in which they fight that. Yes it's annoying, but people sink thousands of hours into their games and are generally ok with the inconvenience if it means their account is more secure. For someone like you it may not make sense, but you're not the user they instituted these policies for. And blizzard gets crap _constantly_ from their user base, you…

I am on those forums.

How does this protect me (or more likely: them)? I disable 2FA (..), give you my credentials or you brute force them: You own my account. How's that related with "I moved"?

And why would you ever. ever. ever give a random company your government ID? Facebook to unblock your account? Hell no! Google Plus for the same reason? Certainly not and never. Blizzard because you changed the place you live outside of their digital universe? Of course not!

They can ask me questions about games I played, purchase dates of the games I own, can send me verification mails, can use the 2FA they support, can look at my login history (hey, how funny: I logged into my Blizzard account from a SG IP, even before I made the purchase).

No, they should NEVER ask for my address or my government ID. The former would be okay if they want to send me swag and should still be optional.

Blizzard's insane here, defending them is kinda weird. Would you send your ID to Google, Facebook or .... EA? If you nod reading all of this, fine. We're just not able to agree here. If you shake your head but think that it's different for the people that allow you to explode sheep by repeatedly clicking them..: Can you make sure that you're not biased?

Re: The most downvoted comment in Reddit's history

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Post by kibwen » Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 5:57 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #40

bunderbunder wrote: post #19

I'm continually fascinated by the gaming community's relationship with EA. It's like, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 37 times. . . ahh, what the hey, let's throw another 60 quid in this hole. I'm sure this time it'll be different."

Exactly the same with me. I never buy games at launch and I tend to stay away from F2P games entirely. There's way too many games coming out compared to the free time I have available to play them, so I've accepted that I'm never going to play the vast majority of releases. Others need to come to that same realization -- it's perfectly fine to skip a game if the company's practices suck. As for what I have been playi…

While we're on topic of Factorio (and similar games like SpaceChem), here's a new indie game that should appeal to HN users about digital logic and CPU design: http://pleasingfungus.com/Silicon%20Zeroes/ (not my project, I ain't no shill, though I have met the dev on IRC).