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Re: Ask HN: What tech stack is in demand, and why?

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Post by pandler »

kenhwang wrote: post #34
kamac wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why nobody mentions ember? I thought it was the third most popular thing behind react and angular?

I think ember will stick around. I even think it'll overtake Angular one day since it has a better dev/upgrade experience. I don't think it'll ever hit mass appeal, partially because it's quite a niche cookie cutter and the frontend world seems to value flexibility above all else.

I have high hopes for Glimmer[1] though as something that can compete with other view libraries and/or frameworks. I'm especially glad that Glimmer diverges from the Ember brand a bit, because there seems to be a lot of outdated (mis)conceptions about Ember from older versions.

I personally feel productive with Ember, but the custom object models and getters and setters for everything are a bit of a turn off, especially after working on an Angular project recently with typescript support. Mobx, for instance, seems to be able to accomplish similar things as Ember but without the custom object model and getters/setters.

[1] For those wondering, Glimmer is Ember's next iteration of view layer and rendering engine, pulled out into a separate library. It's built from the ground up (and so isn't subject to backwards compatibility with Ember just yet), uses typescript, is component based, and it compiles down to op-codes that are used to update the DOM instead of DOM-diffing. http://glimmerjs.com/

Re: Ask HN: What tech stack is in demand, and why?

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Post by pandler »

icebraining wrote: post #17
arca_vorago wrote: post #8

Bash and sql, because it's what really keeps things running, despite constant claims by hipster-hackers about how you should be using something else. Real IDE usage (vim/emacs).

Bash may keep things running, but how many developers need to know it? In my limited experience, maybe 10%, and even they barely use it. It's just for writing some bits of the infrastructure, which is then calcified for years.

I'm always really impressed when I check out the source of a bash program that I use, and part of me wishes I could be at that level, but really I'm more likely to use python for any non-trivial cli scripting. It's more that sufficient for everything I've had to do so far, and python skills have much wider applications beyond just scripting.

Re: Ask HN: What tech stack is in demand, and why?

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Post by BjoernKW »

sp527 wrote: post #11
expertentipp wrote: post #9

As for the web development the situation currently stabilized as an oligopoly between Facebook (React) and Google (Angular). Some projects are trying Vue, some leftover ones with Backbone, Meteor here and there, but it's overall a minor share.

Share of new projects being spun up in Angular is probably on a serious decline as well. I don’t see too much future potential there. React will probably dominate for the immediate future.

From both my experience in enterprise software and recent JavaScript conferences I can say that Angular 2 / 4 is still widely used for new projects in that area, much more so than React.

There are a few reasons for this. First, Angular’s programming model lends itself to typical enterprise software requirements. Secondly, Angular, and TypeScript in particular, is similar to what enterprise programmers are typically used to (namely Java and C#). There also is Ionic, which is largely based on Angular.

Finally, Angular and React is one of those odd cases of regional variation in technology distribution. React appears to be more popular in the US, particularly with Silicon Valley companies, than in Europe.

Re: Ask HN: What tech stack is in demand, and why?

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Post by dagw »

sabalaba wrote: post #5

TensorFlow, Linear Algebra, Calculus and Probability are in high demand right now. They’re the building blocks for Machine Learning.

Where? Even the few ML jobs I'm seeing are really 'basic' from a math point of view, as in apply well studied algorithms from well tested libraries in the most obvious ways to relatively small amount of data. The number of ML jobs that actually require you to understand the underlying building blocks of ML is tiny.

Re: Ask HN: What tech stack is in demand, and why?

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Post by zv »

pgsandstrom wrote: post #13

Living in Sweden, it seems to be to be Java and .NET that keeps the world running. React might be the most popular frontend library though.

My impression so far is that TSQL, SSIS and .Net keeps world running. Frontend Angular/Bootstrap, but again frontend is not that important.

Re: Ask HN: What tech stack is in demand, and why?

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Post by raverbashing »

Juliate wrote: post #40
raverbashing wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These systems will be fixed and then tossed out Nothing is infeasible to replace, it might be costly, but not infeasible And of course IBM is happy to get paid millions to keep backward compatibility on the systems they sell Nobody wants to invest their time learning a dying platform that is good for nothing but a dead end job at a bank and won't teach anything usable in any form of modern system (hope you like weari…

That's exactly what we were told in 1996 (21 years ago that is) when I entered my engineering school: to disregard Cobol and Fortran, because, you know, OLD tech. Won't matter much longer. If the cost of training peons to make it last and run is less than the cost of rebuilding it, be it from scratch or piece by piece, it will matter longer (that's the point of view of insurances, banks and big corps today, and what'…

Latin is dead not because no one uses it anymore, but because you're limited in what you can do with it.

Re: Ask HN: What tech stack is in demand, and why?

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Post by dtech »

Juliate wrote: post #40
raverbashing wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These systems will be fixed and then tossed out Nothing is infeasible to replace, it might be costly, but not infeasible And of course IBM is happy to get paid millions to keep backward compatibility on the systems they sell Nobody wants to invest their time learning a dying platform that is good for nothing but a dead end job at a bank and won't teach anything usable in any form of modern system (hope you like weari…

That's exactly what we were told in 1996 (21 years ago that is) when I entered my engineering school: to disregard Cobol and Fortran, because, you know, OLD tech. Won't matter much longer. If the cost of training peons to make it last and run is less than the cost of rebuilding it, be it from scratch or piece by piece, it will matter longer (that's the point of view of insurances, banks and big corps today, and what'…

They might be maintained for a foreseeable time, but if you take a job maintaining them you've committed your entire career to only do that. That's not appetizing to young engineers.

Re: Ask HN: What tech stack is in demand, and why?

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Post by EnderMB »

In the .NET universe, demand seems to continue to grow in the UK, especially in the CMS landscape.

However, demand for lower-paying jobs using open-source CMS's like Umbraco seems to be rising, whereas the rates for contractors are rising for the enterprise level choices like Sitecore.

I mention contractor rates because in Bristol companies are struggling to keep experience in full-time development. For Umbraco, we're seeing the space grow with more full-time people, whereas if you're a developer that can work with Sitecore you can earn a LOT more by moving into contracting. Developers are going from £40-50k roles into £550-600 a day roles as contractors, earning over double what they were before. It's also lucrative for recruiters, as they get a percentage of a bigger overall salary.

Sure, it's fairly niche, and it's as unglamorous as it gets, but the work is there if you know this proprietary CMS as it is widely used by a number of large businesses based on its marketing platforms.

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