I've seen plenty of visual programming tools and lots of other things to help "non programmers." I've even helped build one. The fact is that if you can think and communicate precisely enough to describe your ideas then you can enter them into a computer fairly easily in a language like python or basic. If you can't then no matter how fancy your tools are you still need something intelligent (currently a human progra…
How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
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Re: How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
#32I've seen plenty of visual programming tools and lots of other things to help "non programmers." I've even helped build one. The fact is that if you can think and communicate precisely enough to describe your ideas then you can enter them into a computer fairly easily in a language like python or basic. If you can't then no matter how fancy your tools are you still need something intelligent (currently a human progra…
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There may be other specific problem domains where subject matter experts may be able to be productive, if given relatively basic programming tools along with specific, modular, abstractions useful to their problem domain.
I could see drone programming becoming something like this - a farmer may need to update his drone behaviour every day, but he may not be excited about learning to 'program' it.
Re: How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree. But while not "F U money" $100k p/m is enough to say: Well someone must be using it then. Perhaps, in the Hooked sense, the somewhat diffcult learning curve helps to increase long term retention?
How do you know it’s not FU money?
Re: How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
#34I watched the demo video. It looks like what the Visual Basic form builder was for Windows programming in the 90s. However it will be difficult for non programmers. The very first dialog about Google Maps has menus "API provider" and "Query". I wonder how many non programmers know what they are. They can take a guess and learn but maybe this is still too low level. The second example is about building a login form by…
I work with non-programmers every day who know what APIs and queries are.
There are millions of people who are technical enough to manipulate Excel sheets, talk intelligently about API integrations, and tweak SQL queries but are not programmers themselves. Non-programmer does not automatically mean non-technical.
Re: How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
#35I've seen plenty of visual programming tools and lots of other things to help "non programmers." I've even helped build one. The fact is that if you can think and communicate precisely enough to describe your ideas then you can enter them into a computer fairly easily in a language like python or basic. If you can't then no matter how fancy your tools are you still need something intelligent (currently a human progra…
Re: How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
#36What I'd really like is a smarter compiler. My normal dev process is 1. Write code 2. Run code 3. See error 4. Google error 5. Write code to fix error 6. Repeat I'd like a compiler that helps speed up steps 3-5. I know IDEs do some of this, but I'd like a compiler that automatically fixes errors instead of just telling me what went wrong. One that fixes parentheses that I left off or automatically fixes typos in vari…
What you request in the last paragraph is a Junior Developer to do the grunt work of implementing a spec.
Re: How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
#37I've seen plenty of visual programming tools and lots of other things to help "non programmers." I've even helped build one. The fact is that if you can think and communicate precisely enough to describe your ideas then you can enter them into a computer fairly easily in a language like python or basic. If you can't then no matter how fancy your tools are you still need something intelligent (currently a human progra…
She did a year of com sci. She learned SQL at work. She can Excel with the best at her bank, with some VBA here and there. Still I had to coax her into learning Python for some bigger-than-Excel datasets. She wanted to for ages but just couldn't make the leap to "real" programming (her thinking, obviously not true).
Even when she tried we had issues installing things. She made good progress and almost got it. I sat an evening with her and we solved the issue. She had a lot of support to get over the various hurdles, support many don't have.
Obviously it's one data point but it highlights the issue. I think we've forgotten how hard it can be. Anything that helps should get a shot.
Re: How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
#38As a marketer, I've found Bubble to be really useful for building out small micro-apps for data-capture for clients who for whatever reason weren't ready to move to a solution like HubSpot. I'm not sure how I'd feel about using it for anything larger than that, though I've seen some worked examples of Twitter clones etc. There's probably slightly too much Bubble-specific terminology and concepts to make it worth lear…
Re: How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your comment sounds like something straight out of a Show HN, not a thread about a 5 year old service with 100,000 users and $100k in monthly revenues. There's obviously a big demand for this so either you're wrong or people using it are actually programmers.
I just took a quick look at it and GP has a simple misunderstanding here. When they say you don't have to be a coder that doesn't mean the target market is my girlfriend who has no interest in this whatsoever(she's a doctor). The target market is those people that sit in places like the AWS loft or places like that, listen to tech talks and wish they had a coder to build their ideas for free. Most of them already kno…
Re: How Bubble bootstrapped a visual programming tool for non-coders to $100k/mo
#40Has anyone had experience transitioning a Bubble app into an actual coded app/DB outside of Bubble? I could see it as an interesting solution for rapid prototyping of ideas, but I'd be concerned about lock-in and extra expense later when migrating to something more robust.