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Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A.

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One thing that is not talked about enough with NSA is that if they are capable of leaking some of their most sensitive and powerful tools, then they are also capable of leaking the most sensitive and private information they collect on people. Perhaps this has not yet happened, or perhaps it has (someone will no doubt point out any known incidents here if there are any) but the idea is unnerving. Maybe my wording is…

This was covered in a recent kaspersky paper[1], which I found in [2], where it is termed "fourth-party collection". The pdf gives a more complete description on page 2 (I found the increasing level of separation between collector and reciever to be almost comical) [1] https://cdn.securelist.com/files/2017/10/Guerrero-Saade-Raiu... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15663985

It seems like those kinds of more removed scenarios point to a strategic void in compartmentalization.

We (US, Soviet Union, etc) had this figured out in the 60s when we were primarily using human intel. [1] Except the danger that now, instead of walking out with rolls of film covering a few thousand pages, someone can take everything they have access to in My only explanation is all those long-won counter-intelligence lessons were thrown out when the Young Turks showed up with their "we can do it all and more via software" ways. Because they delivered (and you've probably seen this in your org) they were excluded from having all the pain-in-the-ass rules applied to them.

It seems our intelligence agencies now look exactly like our commercial software -- more featureful, more agile, less secure, less stable.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._A._Robertson https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intellig... https://www.salon.com/2015/09/26/how_to_explain_the_kgbs_ama...

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The biggest indictment of the NSA is the fact that there has been no visible internal dissent after Snowden regarding mass surveillance. Their willingness to overlook the constitution because it's inconvenient is a far bigger problem than leaks, IMO.

I believe this is the underlying cause of their security issues. People involved cannot voice their dissent so they act it out.

The NSA and CIA are institutions established to protect a nation that abides by the rule of law.

When the rule of law is brushed aside the people who are part of that system rebel.

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Living in Maryland, I've met several young people who put in a few years at the agency (including TAO) who then left for industry. Millenials don't care about a government pension, especially when you're in a windowless SCIF hacking Perl.

The US Government as a whole has a massive talent retention problem. Only the mediocre will stay at NSA / CIA now and we'll probably see more of these leaks / hacks.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing this tells me is that you did not read the text surrounding those mentions. They all portray him in a rather neutral light, except perhaps the "again on Saturday disputed his intelligence agencies’ findings on Russia and the election". You can hardly criticize that though. You could even argue that the last mention paints him in a somewhat positive light, >The Trump administration says it will soon ann…

What I got from the article is that the NYT is leaning towards publishing articles regarding hacking or other meddling into US affairs, especially by Russia, in order to generate public perception of the Russia issue as a large and embarrassing failure. >"again on Saturday disputed his intelligence agencies’ findings on Russia and the election". You can hardly criticize that though. In Hanoi yesterday, Trump made the…

>Russia issue as a large and embarrassing failure.

Are you saying it is not?

>In Hanoi yesterday, Trump made the statement that, "I'm with our agencies, especially as currently constituted with their leadership," regarding Russian intervention in the election. USA Today reported that, "Trump says he believes intelligence assessment that Russia interfered in election — but Putin does not."

Sure, he said that. But he also said the other things. Does intentionally making conflicting statements somehow justify the ones that don't sound so good?

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Cause for celebration for all who support privacy and security.

I get the sentiment. But now the tools are available to more criminals. And that's hardly good, is it?

Security by obscurity? No it doesn't work.

Good to know our systems aren't private.

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In any military force,turning your weapon against your own people is worse than being a traitor,running from battle in cowardice or surrendering to the enemy. Their continued attack(yes,using malware and implants against someone is an attack) against their own people is in my opinion completely shameful and unpatriotic. As someone who has no intention of breaking any law or of harming the united states,it is simply n…

This would be your person opinion, given that the militaries of the US, the UK, China, Russia, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Spain, etc. (probably easier to name those that haven't) have officially performed such actions, with the soldiers in question receiving official honors and rewards?

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In any military force,turning your weapon against your own people is worse than being a traitor,running from battle in cowardice or surrendering to the enemy. Their continued attack(yes,using malware and implants against someone is an attack) against their own people is in my opinion completely shameful and unpatriotic. As someone who has no intention of breaking any law or of harming the united states,it is simply n…

This would be your person opinion, given that the militaries of the US, the UK, China, Russia, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Spain, etc. (probably easier to name those that haven't) have officially performed such actions, with the soldiers in question receiving official honors and rewards?

Just because a lot of countries have done it doesn't make it any less shameful.

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Living in Maryland, I've met several young people who put in a few years at the agency (including TAO) who then left for industry. Millenials don't care about a government pension, especially when you're in a windowless SCIF hacking Perl. The US Government as a whole has a massive talent retention problem. Only the mediocre will stay at NSA / CIA now and we'll probably see more of these leaks / hacks.

There’s a massive pay disparity between public and private, and those currently in power want to keep it that way and eat away even more at gov functions. That combined without a clear rallying call for public service (like the Cold War or collective pride) are a recipe for disaster.

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Living in Maryland, I've met several young people who put in a few years at the agency (including TAO) who then left for industry. Millenials don't care about a government pension, especially when you're in a windowless SCIF hacking Perl. The US Government as a whole has a massive talent retention problem. Only the mediocre will stay at NSA / CIA now and we'll probably see more of these leaks / hacks.

Wait, they use perl?
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