I'm often surprised these kinds of issues aren't fixed quicker. There are so many issues in browsers related to non Roman based letters (assuming that's the correct term for it) on the one hand I get that most browser (and OS?) dev happens in the West by people unaffected by these issues. One the other hand with > 1 billion people using non Roman based languages I'd expect this kind of stuff to be more of a priority.…
Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
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Re: Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe they should just romanize (switch to Latin script) the way Vietnam did.
It’s hard to do in Japanese due to all the homonyms. Kanji gives meaning where romanizations would not.
Re: Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Installing the free hanazono fonts should sort you out For arch: pacman -S ttf-hanazono
Interesting. Installed hanazono font HanaMinPlus.ttf in Firefox as J-default and even in this comment section the distinction between katakana 'n' and 'so' is quite clear whereas using MS Gothic it's somewhat ambiguous. Even more so when the two fonts are juxtaposed in LibreOffice.
Re: Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe they should just romanize (switch to Latin script) the way Vietnam did.
It’s hard to do in Japanese due to all the homonyms. Kanji gives meaning where romanizations would not.
Re: Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
#85I wish more handwritten kanji input systems would use stroke order and count as a weight and not a filter. As a learner is generally know the stroke order when looking at an unknown kanji but as most input method filter on order and count a single wrong order or count means the matching kanji doesn't even show up in the list of possible matches
macOS and ios are good examples. Ships with a good one for Chinese and nothing for japanese. If you buy a Sony android phone you'll get a good handwritten Japanese input out-of-the-box.
The reason is because basic stroke order information is freely available, but you need much more information to build a good system (you need common abbreviations and mistakes, fx)
Re: Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
#86> Can you spot the difference between 𠮟 and 叱? Me neither. Of course I can, not because I am Chinese, but they really do look different. How can you NOT see the difference? Also they have different meanings. Edit: Here is one that’s really hard to recognize especially in handwritings and often written wrong if not careful. 已 vs 己 This puzzles many Chinese people... Can you spot the difference? 已 has to do with time…
Chinese has a lot of tricky ones. 荼 vs 茶 日 vs 曰 已 vs 己 vs 巳 vs 巴 士 vs 土 水 vs 氺 人 vs 入 vs 八 vs 几 干 vs 千 vs 于 天 vs 夫 ... the list goes on.
Also 苶 looks similar.
Re: Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question is if you would recognize the difference if they weren’t side by side. I am trying to teach myself Japanese, which allegedly is easier than Chinese. Hiragana as far as I can tell makes no internal sense. The characters for yo and ya don’t incorporate elements from o or a. And when you are done eh Hiragana you realize that it is on its own not enough to actually communicate in Japanese, so now in addition…
> I am trying to teach myself Japanese, which allegedly is easier than Chinese. Who did you hear that from? The Japanese writing system is the Chinese one, minus all of the internal consistency, plus lots of characters the Chinese aren't traditional enough to keep in the language. It often uses the same character to write distinct Chinese loanwords which differ wildly in pronunciation based on when and from whom the…
Your conception on the writing systems is quite weird, consistency (if any) is the same, I would say. I do not get what you mean by characters being "traditional" or not.
Chinese loanwords are more garbled, with different methods of assigning them random chinese characters. And the Japanese use Latin characters to mark pronunciations also, minus the tone markings. (Let me introduce you to -- bopomofo)
Re: Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question is if you would recognize the difference if they weren’t side by side. I am trying to teach myself Japanese, which allegedly is easier than Chinese. Hiragana as far as I can tell makes no internal sense. The characters for yo and ya don’t incorporate elements from o or a. And when you are done eh Hiragana you realize that it is on its own not enough to actually communicate in Japanese, so now in addition…
There are many things about Chinese which are very easy, in particular the grammar and the fact that many words are constructed by logical combinations of smaller semantic units. There's nothing easy about Japanese IMO, it has extremely complex grammar with standard and non-standard inflections, it uses a mix of two different alphabets and Chinese characters, and the Chinese characters often have multiple different r…
Re: Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't read any of these characters but to me the difference between 已 vs 己 is as clear and obvious as the difference between 𠮟 vs 叱
I think yeukhon means that if you get lazy and write 已 or 己 with a single stroke (easy to do with a ball-point pen), they are basically indistinguishable.
Re: Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016)
#90> Can you spot the difference between 𠮟 and 叱? Me neither. Of course I can, not because I am Chinese, but they really do look different. How can you NOT see the difference? Also they have different meanings. Edit: Here is one that’s really hard to recognize especially in handwritings and often written wrong if not careful. 已 vs 己 This puzzles many Chinese people... Can you spot the difference? 已 has to do with time…
> > Can you spot the difference between 𠮟 and 叱? Me neither. > Of course I can, not because I am Chinese, but they really do look different. How can you NOT see the difference? Also they have different meanings The difference at my resolution is about 10-15 pixels, this seems like much less than the difference between one font and another. But then of course I don't have any knowledge about Hanzi. Is the difference…
So I'd say that the difference is mostly how your font chose to indicate the proper stroke direction.